Interview with Terry Wolfe
On Christianity, the Book of Revelation, and the Green World Order
People are pretending that there’s some great realization happening across society in the “truth movement”, but it’s actually just confusion.
To put it in religious terms, the Green Agenda is obsessed with the “sin” of being alive, and they are devoted to making us atone for that sin. – Terry Wolfe
In early 2022 I got comfortable with talking about evil.
For the last year I’ve been thinking about the Book of Revelation as it has quite a bit to say about evil.
I read it many years ago and cannot claim to have understood any of it. But there’s something about that book, that Prophecy, that lingers, at least it did with me.
The last couple of years have “felt described” in that prophecy to me.
So, I’ve been walking around wondering if I could find someone who could better interpret the Book of Revelation to me (and others).
Then I watched Terry Wolfe interviewed by Danial Natal.
It’s the first time I’d ever come across Terry.
It’s a truly wonderful conversation that spans plenty of very interesting subjects.
But it was Wolfe’s insights into The Age of Re-enchantment, our returning to paganistic beliefs and Christianity as a counterforce that really caught my attention.
I looked him up online only to discover that he’d written a whole book on the Book of Revelation!
There’s that serendipity again.
I contacted Terry requesting an interview and I am so grateful that he agreed.
I think it’s a wonderful and important exchange from which plenty of people will get different things.
The time and attention that he put into the answers is greatly appreciated.
“The teacher arrives when the student is ready” and I think this interview will be read and reread at different times and will have something new to teach each time.
Introducing Terry Wolfe: A Journey Through Career and Inspiration
Could you please start by sharing a bit about your journey and career for those who might not be familiar with your work? We'd love to hear about the key moments and inspirations that have shaped your path as an author and researcher.
First of all, thank you for reaching out, I think your format is a breath of fresh air. I consider myself an author and lecturer, although the peak of my social media popularity was a TikTok account in 2020 and 2021 where I quickly gained over 200,000 followers and produced many viral videos about biblical questions, global trends, and history. At the time there was very little research-based content on the platform, people were mostly just trying to be funny or flirt with each other. I innovated one of the most popular informational formats, which now thousands of popular creators have adopted, doing fantastic work exposing corruption and raising controversial questions about things like the Ohio chemical train derailment and the Lahaina fires, which only broke into the news cycle from TikTok, because mainstream media was going to sweep them under the rug. My account was banned without warning or explanation one day, but I noticed it was right after I created a viral video about the COP26 globalist environmentalism event, where Pope Francis met with all of the world’s top religious leaders in the Vatican to sign a pact to use their combined institutional reach to push their respective governments and congregations into feeling guilty about their carbon footprint and accepting the need for a spiritualized global technocracy to solve it. Needless to say, I knew I hit the target when they yanked my channel with no chance for appeal, even though I had zero strikes against me at the time.
These days I have the honor of being a regular guest on a major video network, TNT (Today’s News Talk), based out of Australia, as part of the The Hrvoje Morić Show, who is one of the greatest unsung heroes of the independent research movement. My appearances there are about current affairs, rather than a panoramic view based on my own radical perspective, so I always love to jump into the deep end of these topics with anybody who’s trying to get up to speed with world events like yourself.
As for my inspiration, the main one would be my oldest brother, who’s one of the smartest people I know when it comes to spotting deception in world events. We were just teenagers when 9/11 happened, and he instantly recognized that the official narrative didn’t make sense. Back then there was no social media, the Internet was slow (especially in our area of Canada) and barren compared to today, but he still saw through the whole thing and started us on a track of digging into the Bush family, Project For a New American Century, the Carlyle Group, Knights of Columbus, and it just went on from there. It’s been over 20 years of steadily putting our heads together to dig up the layers of the New World Order. Aside from that, I took a lot of encouragement from growing up in a deeply Mennonite area, where everybody was taught to fear God instead of Man, to reject the ideologies of the world, to distrust authority figures, and we all had grandfathers who were quick to warn us that some day the government would try to destroy our farms, our schools, and our families. It turned out they were right about everything! Nobody else my age listened to the old folks, but I figured they were probably onto something.
The Age of Re-enchantment
Return to Paganistic Beliefs
"In your view, what factors are driving the modern shift towards ancient belief systems like shamanism and mysticism, and how do you see this impacting societal values and norms in the near future?"
The factors change depending on which level you look at, but toward the bottom, where the rubber meets the road, the main driving factor is a hidden collective of highly-connected Baby Boomer occultists, known as Theosophists, who have been working on a project to collapse modern society and bring about the Age of Aquarius since the heyday of the 1960s. If you wondered what happened to the acid-dosing hippies, a lot of them grew up and became embedded in powerful organizations and decided they didn’t care about preserving their traditional values, but they couldn’t openly defy the status quo either. Their project has been called the “Aquarian Conspiracy”, or at least that’s the title of the book by the New Age author Marilyn Ferguson, who was at the center of the whole plot. Marilyn Ferguson was also close friends with Colonel Jim Channon (the inspiration behind the movie The Men Who Stare At Goats), who worked from within the US Army to envision the Pentagon as the driving force behind a social revolution to replace traditional values and old-fashioned patriotism with an Eastern, mystical, eco-friendly transhumanist psychic guru paradigm, where the objective was not to conquer enemies around the world, but to reshape the conversation in society to shed everything old and outdated, and join together as one people to create a New World Order with a New Age religion. Sounds like crazy talk, but it’s all there. Theosophy is basically the religion of the United Nations.
Impact on Society
"Considering your prediction of a 'new Dark Age' characterized by a resurgence in old belief systems, how do you foresee this re-enchantment affecting areas like education, politics, and science?"
The Age of Aquarius is defined in different ways, but one common theme is an ongoing cataclysmic collapse of everything old and established. The theory is that only that which is invaluable and inevitable will survive, effectively purging the human population, all institutions, all religions, and all ideas, and creating the opportunity to start over. Education, politics, and science have already long been captured and subverted by the Aquarian Conspiracy, who have no problem selling out their respective sectors in order to provoke a crisis. Their only job is to help each other get promoted, do a terrible job, promote the worst aspects of whatever business or office they control, and drive the whole thing into the ground so spectacularly that whatever sector they control cannot be salvaged by wise or patriotic people. They hope that younger generations will become so cynical, outraged, and hopeless about the world that they abandon education, politics, and science, thus paving the way for the collapse and rebirth their generation is conspiring to achieve.
The Danger of a Post-Truth World
"How do you perceive the emergence of a post-truth world, where subjective truths might overshadow objective realities, will affect our collective decision-making and societal coherence?"
In 2023, in the real world, we already saw large groups of educated people congregating in churches and meditating to the sonic frequencies produced by fungus, which was hooked up to speaker systems through electric diodes. Uncounted numbers of “truth-seekers” believe the earth is flat, and recently I’ve seen video of an elderly man revealing a secret that the Sun is an illusion produced within one’s own mind. People genuinely believe the Mandela Effect is a result of shifting timelines creating anomalies. I’ve debated people on this kind of stuff, and the one thing I’ve always encountered is a false dichotomy, between trusting the corrupt establishment or going off the deep end into piles of “hidden knowledge” produced by con artists like Jordan Maxwell. That’s an example of an Aquarian Conspirator, in my opinion. Baby Boomers in the mainstream establishment lie, cheat, and steal to the point where people turn to the “alternative” that promises to uncover the hidden world of symbols, vague associations, and mythology. David Icke is another example, but the younger generation would be somebody like Russell Brand or Joe Rogan. We all have our own “truth” that nobody is allowed to question. Nobody has to prove anything. You either “get it” or you don’t. For these people, “truth-seeking” is a permanent identity that can never reach its conclusion. It’s actually the abandonment of truth, because it refuses to make up its mind.
The Apostle Paul wrote about this phenomenon in 2 Timothy 3:1-7:
But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: for men will be lovers of their own selves, lovers of money, boasters, arrogant, slanderers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, hardhearted, irreconcilable, slanderous, without self-control, savage, with no interest for what is good, traitors, reckless, conceited, loving pleasure rather than loving God, maintaining a form of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid these people. For from these are those who slip into houses and captivate foolish women loaded down with sins, led by various kinds of desires, always learning and never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.
“Rabbit holes” and conspiracy theories have exploded into pop-culture addiction since the COVID lockdowns, because everyone was angry and cooped up with nothing to do but surf the Internet and try to figure out why nothing we were told made sense. But if you haven’t spent a decade or more reading important books, doing your homework, looking up primary sources, and learning the skills necessary to be a proper researcher, you’re going to get swindled by the flood of con artists who are capitalizing on the trend. Trying to counter this madness was why I quickly slapped together my book Fire In The Rabbit Hole after I was banned from TikTok, to try to get ahead of it and expose the big plot behind the seemingly-unrelated “rabbit holes”. (And for anyone who thinks this is hypocritical because I’m selling a book on the topic, I give away the information as often as possible, and the entire audiobook is free on my podcast. Look up the “FITRH” episodes to listen to it.)
The Role of Christianity in Modern Society
Christianity as a Counterforce
"Given your perspective on Christianity as a counterforce to current societal trends, could you elaborate on how you see this role evolving, especially in a world that promotes secularism over institutional religion?"
Christianity has already been put into an impossible catch-22. We can either promote traditional things and try to stop young people from giving up on broken, evil, hopeless institutions, which is a doomed prospect that only makes us “the problem”, or we can break from tradition ourselves and join the chorus of people calling for a Great Reset – or as its sometimes called by those who’ve been tricked – the Great Awakening. Very few have done what I’m doing, which is alienating every side simultaneously, calling out the counter-culture itself as a controlled demolition project carefully curated and policed by the same people who are ruining the mainstream.
People greatly underestimate how dramatically society’s “beliefs” can change when they’re in a crisis. Most people have no real convictions about anything, they just say stuff to make noise. As I mentioned already, all major branches of Christianity, along with Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, Buddhists, and Taoists have already signed a compact in the Vatican. Somebody at a fairly low level was instructed that I had to be memory-holed because of that. Only evangelical, fundamentalist Christians were not represented in that Vatican conference. We are going to become the scapegoat of the world’s troubles the closer we get to the ultimate crisis, because those behind the Aquarian project will pull out all the stops to convince the world that history is a lie, Jesus was just another Ascended Master like all the other Theosophist icons, and mysticism is the true frontier of discovery. Those pesky old Bible-thumpers with their scriptures, evidence, and classical logic will insist on people exclusively entering the Kingdom through the proper gate (John 10:9), which will disrupt their quantum vibration Oneness consciousness matrix—which they need to harmonize globally in order to “manifest” their glorious New Age! For those interested in this angle, I’m currently writing a series of Substack articles on this exact prospect, and how it ties into biblical prophecy.
Modern Interpretations vs. Core Teachings
"If Christian doctrines are being misinterpreted today, what are the most significant misconceptions, and how can they be addressed?"
Doctrine has never been as divided as it is today, thanks to social media, so it’s impossible to know where to start. The biggest trend right now is called “deconstruction”, in which Christians are encouraged by former Christians to critically examine every doctrine they’ve been taught and see if it holds up to scrutiny. They’re bombarded with criticism and supposed facts by a growing body of scholars and skeptics who have made it their hobby to stir up doubts and fears around doctrine. And since most doctrine is not founded on much, it gets destroyed in the process. It’s a pretty simple trick to get dumb people to admit they actually have no understanding of what their religion is, and then give up on it and start telling others to do the same. The people who are resisting this trend are usually ingrained in a particular church tradition, which won’t be safe for long because they only know how to repeat what they’ve been told, and have relied on living in a bubble to avoid criticism. Any Christian who hasn’t personally studied the New Testament topic by topic (not chapter by chapter) with more experienced believers is in trouble. And for those who are fundamentalists but are so inflexible that they are in danger of shattering upon impact with real criticism, I recently wrote a book called The Paradox of Fundamentalism (which I’m getting around to turning into a free audiobook as well). The gist is that you should worship the God of the Bible, not the Bible itself, and winnow your doctrines to only that which you can cite directly from the Bible, and build logically from there, admitting that you don’t have all the answers.
You can go to online bibles like BibleHub.com to read, or better yet download a great program called “e-Sword” for free, which lets you download Bible translations. A lot of great translations are free to download. I recommend installing the English Standard Version (ESV) and Lexham English Bible (LEB), and the English Majority Text Version (EMTV), which are all free, and you can switch between them easily to compare wording. You can use them offline, make notes, and see for yourself what is really taught. You don’t have to listen to me about doctrine. Jesus had a very simple way of teaching, he’s not intimidating at all. Usually I tell curious people to start with the Gospel of John, the fourth book of the New Testament. The Bible isn’t like a textbook of theology you have to memorize. There’s no test you’ll have to pass after reading it. You can go back and read it a thousand times and you’ll notice something different each time. Say a quick prayer to God for help in discerning any messages in the passage you read, and allow certain topics to catch your interest naturally – you’ll get further in your doctrine faster than people who go to seminary school.
Prophecy is my area of focus, so I guess it concerns me more than normal theology. Popular understanding of prophecy is an absolute train wreck. But that’s fine to me, because prophecies aren’t really meant to be figured out until it’s about to happen, and even then it’s only for the select few who are lucky enough to have the necessary insights. If prophecy were “solved” too early, or by too many people, it would theoretically be possible to avoid its fulfillment; that would ruin the whole point. Prophecy is inevitable, and its interpretation has to come into focus at the last minute, just spreading enough to make a difference in unforeseen ways beyond our control. I’d say that the popular notion of the “Beast” and the “Antichrist” are some of the worst offenders today, as ignorant Christians are scared of a seven year tribulation, and some religious leader that’s going to turn the world upside down. The core problem with every major interpretation is that people mix around the sequence of events willy-nilly, rather than respecting the extremely deliberate structure of Revelation, which begins with seven events called “seals”, followed by seven “trumpets”, and finally seven “vials” or “bowls”. I wrote a book on Revelation to create a hypothesis for prophecy that has been playing out since the time of Jesus, and where we are in the timeline. I’m currently writing a bigger book focused purely on “the Beast” concept, and how it’s not a metaphor for the Antichrist or some final boogeyman in the last years of the world, but a system of global evil that has developed on the world stage for millennia, centered on Rome, and has defined every major period in Europe and across the Mediterranean. It now defines our modern age. I hope it will be finished early this year.
Generally speaking, the biggest doctrinal pitfalls are anything that comes from the Catholic or Orthodox Churches (which are parts of “the Beast”), and any of their leftover doctrines that still stick around in the Protestant churches. Things like the institutional church structure, the lie of apostolic succession, believing we need human priests, worshiping Mary, and conflating human effort with the “Kingdom of Heaven” Jesus was always preaching about. Once you wrap your head around the logic of the Kingdom of Heaven as a network of free agents led by their consciences, influenced by the Holy Spirit and grounded in the Word of God (i.e. Bible), you start to get your footing in how revolutionary it’s supposed to be. You begin to realize how simple and obvious the role of a Christian really should be, and how you can discard everything else.
Christianity in a Diverse Society
"How do you envision Christianity adapting or responding to a society that is increasingly diverse in terms of belief systems, particularly with the rise of paganistic and mystical practices you've mentioned?"
I’m not sure we can call what’s emerging diverse, or even belief systems. It’s fashionable to present everything you “learn” from your “research” as an epiphany today, but there is no real understanding of the claims being made, and the research is more like exposure to conflicting possibilities. People are pretending that there’s some great realization happening across society in the “truth movement”, but it’s actually just confusion. I would say that, until now, we have had a diverse society of belief systems, because we have had traditions built up for centuries and debated by scholars, but that’s all being wiped away by one big flood of ignorance, misunderstandings, and speculation. Our counter-culture’s thought leaders have no intellectual foundations, they’re brain-dead talk show hosts, comedians, or experts in very limited fields that don’t have to do with the subjects they’re speculating about. It’s the blind leading the blind (Luke 6:39). They refuse to create a standard by which to judge anything, because they don’t want to be judged in turn. Everything from now on will be a “discovery process” that never ends, and cannot be allowed to build up to anything but more mysticism, because building a coherent belief system requires you to use logic, eliminate fallacies, test claims, and weed out the things you don’t believe; but this is a form of discrimination, rejecting other people’s sacred hunches, half-baked revelations, and personal intuitions. That’s considered hateful, closed-minded, and judgmental.
As for Christianity’s transformation, my vision is what I call “the Winter Christian”. It’s why I named my Substack what I did, and why I’ve undertaken my current series of articles explaining what that means to me. To put it simply, the Winter Christian is a thought experiment about what it takes to operate in this dark future. It pictures a soldier of God who will continue to work steadfastly for the Kingdom of Heaven after everything that was once known as “Christianity” has been destroyed or corrupted by this flood of ignorance. It imagines a time coming soon when there will be no more churches, no more holidays, no more paid pastor careers, 95% of self-professed Christians have abandoned their doctrines, and the Bible itself will be banned as hate speech. It will be a crime to say that anyone is wrong. Tolerance will be their sledgehammer. The Winter Christian is the kind of person who will thrive in that environment, because it will shed all the baggage that was holding them back. There will be no more stupid traditions to get in the way of the core battle between good and evil. They will have nothing to lose, and cannot be bullied, compromised, or co-opted.
Everyone today is looking at the same handful of dystopian prospects, conditioned by science fiction and pop culture to expect a Soviet-style prison planet, or perhaps a Metaverse of depressing corporate conformity. These are fake dangers, red herrings, meant to scare you into the arms of the counter-culture solution, which we’re meant to discover organically in our truth quests. We’re never warned about the “Green World Order”, as I call it. That’s why we’re not prepared to defend against the “Great Awakening”, as they have cleverly marketed it. Churches are not positioned to win this fight at all. Those who fight this False Light will face persecution, and most likely death. We will be exterminated just as easily as they “cancel” us online now. I can’t wait.
Satan's Influence and the Transition to Christ's Kingdom
Understanding Satan's Role
"In your interpretation, Satan is identified as the 'ruler of this world', cast out of heaven and now active on Earth. What do you think Satan's role is, and how does this dynamic influence our perception of current global events and societal changes?"
Satan’s role is pretty clear in the Bible, if you know where to look. In Hebrew, the word “Satan” is not a proper name, it’s just their word for somebody who contradicts or opposes proceedings, like a legal prosecutor who pokes holes in somebody’s arguments. God is portrayed as having a divine council of lesser authorities around Him, like princes of heaven. They sit in His royal court, and He asks them questions about how to manage the world. Keep in mind that only God Himself is all-knowing and perfect in His judgments, so they have to examine the world and debate the situation rationally, offering suggestions. God makes the final decision of whose plan to authorize, and can add stipulations and revise it just like a king would. These authorities then mobilize their hosts of subordinate angels to do the necessary preparation work and make things happen, intervening invisibly in the (seemingly causal) world of mankind. I know that’s a lot to take in, but that was the almost universally accepted view of the ancient world. In these heavenly proceedings, there is one divine being in particular who has been given the role of contradicting them, poking holes in their logic and finding weaknesses in God’s plans. That’s “the Satan” figure. He’s barely mentioned in the Old Testament, but in the New Testament he becomes a central character, because that’s when God reveals that He’s about to commence the Kingdom of Heaven, which is what they have all been waiting for since the creation of the world. But God’s plan is so audacious and backwards that a war erupts in heaven, led by Satan, in which many angels rebel and choose the side of Satan instead of God. This opposition force gets defeated, and lose their places in heaven. They are exiled to earth, where they form a conspiracy against Jesus and his Kingdom.
The conspiracy loses access to the divine throne room, which means they are cut off from the high-level decisions God is making without them. They are panicked and enraged, but unbeknownst to them, God is planning to empower their conspiracy and keep their reach growing until the “end of the age”, when Jesus is going to come back. In the meantime, history is defined by the war between the Kingdom of Heaven and the satanic conspiracy trying to stop it from taking over.
Here’s a lecture I did on the nature of the spiritual war happening in the world, and how the Kingdom of Heaven represents siege warfare against the deception of Satan.
Lecture 2: The Nature of the Battle (youtube.com)
Satan has no power that has not been granted to him by God. He was already defeated, and Jesus Christ is comfortably sitting at the right hand of God, having been given all authority in heaven and earth. The rebels are gone from his presence, so there is no “opposition” to his will. But even so, until the Father’s plans are fulfilled in due time, Satan’s conspiracy is allowed to operate and deceive the world, persecuting the saints and trying to find some sort of legal loophole that will nullify the return of Christ. Simply put, ever since Jesus ascended to heaven, the world has been split between NPCs who are powerless to resist Satan’s systems of lies, and the chosen few who get smacked by God into waking up and joining the other side.
Satan's Throne and Earthly Influence
"You mention that Satan has a throne in a geographical region on Earth, indicating a tangible presence and influence. Could you elaborate on how this concept impacts the way we should view political and social structures in the world today?"
We can’t say that Satan’s throne is “tangible”, because that implies a physical thing. The Bible discusses “thrones” and “principalities” as spiritual realities that cannot be seen or touched. But that doesn’t mean geography isn’t involved. The late Michael S. Heiser did an excellent job in his studies explaining how the Hebrew Bible portrayed a world of “spiritual geography”, where nations were divided up among the princes of heaven, who acted like lesser gods. Israel was supposed to be an incubator for the Kingdom of Heaven, but it failed because Satan kept finding ways to disqualify them on legalistic terms. When Jesus arrives and begins to show his power, it’s portrayed as a hostile takeover by Christ, which is frantically opposed by the unseen powers of this world whose time is up, and whom God the Father is going to fire from their jobs. His Kingdom is also invisible and spiritual, but it can do amazing things, miracles, prophecies and—most incredible of all—transform sinners into saints who have the Holy Spirit and (in the spirit world) are legally protected from accusations.
There have been many phases of satanic deception in the world. The Roman Churches (i.e. Catholic and Orthodox) are just its first major power play of Satan, authorized by the breaking of the first seal of the prophetic book Jesus holds in heaven. By doing so, God authorized Satan to deceive the Roman emperor Constantine the Great, “converting” him to a counterfeit Christianity which immediately perverted its doctrines and incorporated itself into the imperial machinery of oppression and inequality. Over a thousand years later, during the Renaissance, Atheism and the myth of secular self-governance replaced this counterfeit church’s overt power. In reality, there is no such thing as a nation without a god, and those who think they have no god are firmly in the grip of Satan. The next phase is happening now, with “re-enchantment”, where materialist worldviews are being exposed as a lie (something Christians knew all along) but the conclusion is changed from worshiping the Creator to worshiping ourselves, and soon enough, the “higher dimension” energy beings who are seeking to guide us to enlightenment. I believe this is the next False Light.
Politically, the United Nations is meant to become the Tower of Babel, which was a project to unify all of mankind in one permanent body of self-governance that rejected God’s authority, after the Flood of Noah destroyed everything. Theosophy is also pushed under the disguise of “Oneness”, or “Christ consciousness”. The whole idea of politics today is to engineer a collapse the world so thorough and traumatic that nobody in the future will ever want to go back, and to try to take Christianity out with it. They have been trying desperately to trick Christians into buying into the evil world systems through “representative government”, “rights”, and the prospect of “peace” through “ecumenism”. It may sound arrogant, but if you believe the Bible, all of world history and global politics is bent around creating and maintaining a system that can suppress the Kingdom. People are starving for the smallest bite of truth, and the world is shoveling endless mountains of lies into their mouths in the hopes of filling them up. They can’t afford to let us reach an audience and start changing the conversation. Time and time again, throughout history, they will resort to outright persecution and murder to silence those who serve the Kingdom. They did it to Jesus, and he said that the world will hate us because it hates him (John 15:18-27).
The Shift from Satan's Dominion to Christ's Kingdom
"In your analysis, you discuss the transition from the world being under Satan's dominion to being reclaimed by Christ. What signs or events do you believe indicate this ongoing shift, and how do you think it will manifest in our world?"
The signs of our winning is persecution, as you should expect from the example of our Lord. He is the ultimate winner, while hanging bloody on a Roman cross, falsely accused and mocked by everyone. There is no political revolution to save us. You can’t vote your way out of the Apocalypse. We’re not supposed to prevent the end of the world. You could call us “accelerationists”, not in the typical political sense of promoting technology, progressive ideologies, or out-of-control capitalism, but in the prophetic sense of getting to the point. In the last book of the Bible, Revelation 22, Jesus says: “The evildoer must continue to do evil, and the one who is morally filthy must continue to be filthy. The one who is righteous must continue to act righteously, and the one who is holy must continue to be holy." Our job is not to reverse the course, but to tear down the facade.
Let’s look at one example of what happens when positive change begins to happen in society. As early as 2005, Millennials were on track to rectify many of the downward trends created by Baby Boomers and Gen X, such as divorce rates, alcohol and tobacco addiction, household debt, unhealthy diets, corporate cronyism, and even political illiteracy. Hooters, golf courses, breweries, and jewelry stores were all worried about going bankrupt because young people didn’t care about superficial status symbols and expensive recreation. Statistics experts were predicting a future in which people gardened at home, supported ethical business and local farmers, drank clean water, and tried to live simple, debt free lives where they could build up generational wealth to pass on to their children, with the Internet as their one-stop-shop for entertainment and self-expression. Occupy Wall Street happened in 2011 to protest the broken system that was hurting our generation. But just as suddenly, we saw the unleashing of a thousand subversive forces to destroy our generation from every angle. Critical Theory and identity politics arrived like a tsunami across universities, progressive blogs, and mainstream news stories, changing the conversation from Wall Street to skin color, gender, and bedroom preferences. We went from having a common enemy (banks, regulators, and lobbyists) to being trained to see each other as the great evil. The new topic was privilege, micro-aggressions, and pronouns. When Satan feels threatened, he accuses his opposition. Meanwhile, the banks cranked up all of the economic levers of punishment, making sure Millennials would never have the money to steer the economy. They completely broke our future, so that we are the first generation to have a lower standard of living than our parents. The free market had to be turned upside down for the first time in American history. What was once called the “key market” and “primary consumer demographic” (straight, single, white men between age 19 and 30) became poster children for the least desirable demographic a corporation or political party could possibly cater to. Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) was created at the highest possible level (i.e. umbrella investor holding companies) to force-feed their radical puppets into the corporate ladders of the biggest companies, destroying their profits and market share, just to spite the Millennials who had dared to break away from the unhealthy norms of our grandparents. When we banded together and fought back against all of that, they amped up cancel culture, censorship, and eventually resorted to complete global lockdown of healthy Millennials, so that Trump could print trillions of dollars overnight, bail out all of their failing corporations, destroy our spending power, gut the middle class and small business owners, and establish a new precedent for shutting down the economy any time we threaten them again. The depopulation machine we’re seeing today is fueled by those who continue fighting for positive change, because they would literally rather kill us all than allow us to course correct at the last minute, and salvage the broken system. The Aquarian Conspiracy wants the collapse, and they have worked too hard to let us learn from their mistakes and fix things.
Spotting the Green Horse of Revelation
Interpreting the Green Horse
"In your book, you interpret the Green Horse of Revelation as a symbol for an age of death worship and depopulation. Could you elaborate on how current global events align with this interpretation and what led you to this conclusion?"
You’ve probably seen Bill Gates’ famous “Innovating to Zero” TED Talk speech on carbon pollution. That was early 2010, right around the time globalist technocrats recognized that Millennials were a threat to their social engineering schemes. Bill Gates showed a formula in which the global CO2 levels equals (People) x (Services per Person) x (Energy per Service) x (CO2 per Unit of Energy). Of course this is already a ridiculous, satanic lie, because the sum total of human activity is negligible to global CO2, and CO2 itself is a tiny part of what contributes to the greenhouse effect. The climate is dominated by the activity of the oceans, which get heated up by solar activity, and the rest basically comes from volcanic eruptions. But more to the point, CO2 is actually very healthy for the planet, because it stabilizes the weather, feeds plants, and melts ice, which does not raise sea levels, but is evaporated, creating a pleasant “greenhouse effect” in which plants and crops thrive. That’s why growers specifically design greenhouses to be pumped full of high levels of carbon dioxide and humidity: that’s the ideal condition for plant growth! So the Green Movement is the exact inversion of the truth, just like Satan prefers. They say they are saving the planet and humanity by getting rid of carbon dioxide and increasing the ice caps, when in reality they are killing the planet and humanity, and we are in an ice age that is bordering on carbon starvation.
Anyway, Bill Gates says that one of these factors he has listed has to get pretty close to zero, to which the audience can be heard chuckling. Right here you have the Green Horse of Revelation, promoting death and depopulation as the solution to the world’s problems. To put it in religious terms, the Green Agenda is obsessed with the “sin” of being alive, and they are devoted to making us atone for that sin. I had already interpreted the first three horsemen of Revelation 6 before I realized that the fourth one should be translated as “green” (the Greek word used in the original text is chloros, which means green, and especially a leafy kind of green). Most English translations use the word “pale” here, but that’s inaccurate. I already saw that the white, red, and black horsemen were associated with an era of satanic revolution in history, which increased the power of the conspiracy. White represented false Christianity, and the ascendancy of the pope, who always wears white; red represented war and oppression, and the ascendancy of the cardinals, who always wear red; black represented occultism and secret societies, and the ascendancy of the Jesuits, who always wear black. But what did green represent? Its description is unique from the others, because it is said to be ridden by Death itself, and has the authority to kill one fourth of the world using the sword, famine, disease (or death by unseen causes), and wild beasts. That’s when I realized that the Green Agenda taking over the world today was a legitimate fulfillment of this prophecy, since every major institution is “going green” and calling for death at the same time.
The Green World Order Concept
"You use the term 'Green World Order' in your analysis. Can you explain what this entails and how it represents a significant shift from previous societal structures or ideologies?"
The term “New World Order” is common by now. It’s a world government with unlimited power, which supersedes national sovereignty and individual rights, operated for the sole benefit of the investor class. Carroll Quigley talked about this in his epic Tragedy & Hope study, explaining that the international banks want to produce a neofeudalist system. Feudalism was about commoners owning nothing, but only renting and working until they died, with all profits going to their landlord, with no hope of generational wealth or upward mobility. H.G. Wells wrote an essay called The Open Conspiracy: Blue Prints For A World Revolution (1928), and later The New World Order (1940), where he calls for a global government based on collectivist brainwashing, which would be run by technocrats. But thanks to the Aquarian Conspiracy they’ve gotten clever about it. They are preparing to collapse their own system in order to shed humanity, erase history, and “liberate” mankind from the prospect of the New World Order. People don’t yet see that the “Great Reset” Klaus Schwab and the globalists are advocating for is the exact same thing as the collapse and rebirth that the “Great Awakening” is advocating for. The globalists want to “reset” the world, which will “awaken” the survivors into joining a Oneness death cult honoring Gaia, the world soul.
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The Role of Religion in the Green Horse Era
Religious Response to Societal Changes
"In an era you describe as dominated by the Green Horse, characterized by death worship and depopulation, what role do you see for organized religions, particularly Christianity, in responding to these changes?"
Almost all denominations of organized Christianity have already signed the Green Pact in the Vatican, so I don’t have any hope for them. Before the collapse, organized religions and real Christian churches could theoretically spread the warning and educate people on the coming dangers. I’ve been invited to several churches to do lectures on this subject, because churches are noticing their own members drifting into neo-pagan superstitions and “rabbit holes”. One church even asked me to consider becoming their pastor, so that I could specialize in preparing them for this coming era. Once the collapse is underway, there will be a massive paranoia about the “seven year tribulation” and the “Antichrist”, which plays directly into the hands of the satanic social engineers. They can toy with lukewarm believers endlessly, by feeding them “signs” and creating a “mark of the Beast”, etc. Jesus said that in the last days there would be intense persecution, and many will lose their faith and betray each other. There are a dozen different issues related to biblical prophecy that will cause churches to suspect and condemn each other. Once the collapse happens, it may be illegal to preach from the Bible, so all forms of “organized Christianity” will be controlled. The underground church will probably persist for a while, like it does in China, and it will be led by the Holy Spirit and prayers, not by an organization.
Misinterpretation of Biblical Prophecy
"You've discussed the misinterpretation of prophecies like those in Revelation. In your opinion, what are the most common misconceptions about these prophecies, and how should they be correctly understood?"
The “Mark of the Beast” is not going to be a physical or digital piece of technology that integrates into a financial system. It won’t be a Digital ID or a biometric passport. It’s crazy that people hyper-fixate on this “mark” of the “Beast” without having any clue what the “Beast” itself is, or what “marks” on our foreheads and right hands are supposed to represent in biblical prophecy. Your right hand represents your strength, actions, and lifestyle, while your forehead represents your ideology, thoughts, and conscience. To be “marked” is to be captured by a spiritual power, as I talked about earlier. In other words, if your actions or your mind are captured by the Beast System, you are marked by it, instead of by God. You can see the parallel in Rev 7:3, or in Rev 22:4, where a chosen group of people are sealed in their foreheads with the Father’s name. And the severe warning about getting the Mark of the Beast does not even come until after many apocalyptic events have happened on earth (Rev 14:9), and this warning is given to those people in the future, who have witnessed the cataclysms firsthand. We’re supposed to be wary of it, obviously, but the warning will be given directly to people who need to hear it in the future, by angels. People love to jump around and cherry-pick details from Revelation however they feel like, instead of going in linear order from beginning to end like they’re supposed to. That really bothers me, because it’s the only book in the Bible that is so deliberately structured to have a particular sequence of events that cannot be re-ordered. The mystery of the Mark of the Beast and the focus on the number 666, I believe, is a reference to Humanism, or Atheism, which does not recognize God as the Creator—and therefore rightful Judge—of the universe. In Rev 13:18, I like the translation of the New English Translation (NET), which says that 666 is “man’s number”, meaning it’s the number of mankind, not a particular man. Man was created on the sixth day of Creation, so to have “666” on your forehead or right hand is to think or live as if there is no God, only man. It’s a prediction of Humanism, Atheism, and secularism. For us this is normal, but to them it would have shocked them to their core to think that any nation in the future could make a rejection of God a lifestyle and ideology. So the Mark of the Beast has been around for 500 years. As for how it ties into buying and selling, you first have to understand what the Beast represents to the nations of the world, and what the Black Horseman, the Jesuits, did to the world. It’s about the rise of the financial occult system that has dominated since then. I’m writing about exactly that in my book on the Beast System, which is why I’m eager to get it out there for people who want to sort through this stuff properly.
Satanic Expansion and the Counterforce
"You mention a 'Satanic worldly expansion' during this era. How do you see this expansion manifesting in current global events, and what counterforces do you believe are or should be in play?"
Nobody is going to admit that Satan is running things, just as they haven’t for the last 2,000 years. But what I expect is that the younger generation will become absorbed in “discoveries” and “self-empowerment” through rituals and occult communities, especially driven by DMT, psychedelics, meditation, and induced Near Death Experiences (NDEs), which allow them to expand their consciousness and tap into the spirit world. This kind of visceral, hands-on, do-it-yourself experimentation will go viral, like its own gospel, as things get worse and worse in the world around them. Globally, I think you’ll see an increasing invitation to eastern mystics to come and lead a spiritual revolution in the West, as we rediscover the ancient ways, and many go on spirit journeys in order to shed their White Privilege and colonialist subconscious. Theosophy loves gurus, guides, and self-actualization, and blending cultures. Eventually the Al-Aqsa Mosque will be destroyed and the Third Temple will be built in its place, creating the ultimate holy war that will fuel this cry for unity, as misguided Zionist Christians fight radical Islam, and Jews get targeted in the middle. This will be a perfect storm for the peace-makers and truth-seekers to rise up and demand zero tolerance for fundamentalism on all sides.
There won’t be any effective counterforces, because prophecy is not optional. You can only choose which side of the story you want to be on when it happens.
Reflections on Revelation and the Unfolding Divine Strategy
Meditating on Revelation
"You emphasize the importance of keeping and meditating on the sayings of the Book of Revelation. In your view, what are the most overlooked aspects of this book that believers should focus on more deeply?"
The structure of the book. Think about the prophetic book Jesus is holding, which is said to have seven seals on it. He breaks these seals one at a time, and each time something happens in the world before he breaks the next one. What do “seals” represent? In the ancient world, you would melt wax and press an insignia on it to close a document, ensuring that the recipient knew it was from the official source, and that it had not been opened yet. In other words, it implies secrecy. Why are the seven major world turnings of world events symbolized as seals, if not to imply that they will each be secret and enigmatic? By contrast, the seven trumpets are the opposite: they are very loud, impossible to ignore, and alarming. Trumpets herald the coming of something important. And the vials, or bowls, are also important to dwell on, because they are said to contain the concentrated wrath of God which he has been storing up this whole time. In other words, these things have to happen in the proper order, from a secret conspiracy unfolding throughout history, to massive world-changing warnings in the form of cataclysms, to the unleashing of God’s wrath on those who ignored the warning trumpets! When I realized how beautiful this symbolism was, I knew I had to write my book Maybe Everyone Is Wrong: Revelations, Conspiracy, and the Kingdom of Heaven.
Prophecy and Modern Times
"Considering your discussion of the seals, trumpets, and vials in Revelation, how do you interpret their relevance to our present-day world, especially in the context of global events and the church's role?"
We’re only at the fourth seal right now. There are still three more seals to go before the cataclysmic trumpets start to warn the world about the coming of Christ. But I believe the fourth one is a shorter period than the previous three, and that events quickly accelerate from there. The fifth seal, for example, shows the dead Christians taken up to Heaven, but they’re confused because God is not punishing the wicked people for conspiring to kill them. This is a bizarre event when you think about it, because their complaints are already predicted 2,000 years ago in prophecy. Do you know what God is going to tell them? He says to be patient, and wait until their brothers and sisters are also killed! In other words, there is no Rapture for the church. They all get killed. God is going to let the believers be wiped out by Satan’s conspiracy before he sends the cataclysms. Our role is to live as witnesses, to testify about the Kingdom, and to be sheep among wolves (Matthew 10:16).
Satan's Offer to Jesus
"You mention the scene where Satan offers Jesus the kingdoms of the world. Could you elaborate on the implications of this interaction, particularly in how it influences your understanding of earthly power structures and the spiritual battle at play?"
Satan probably did have dominion over the nations of the world at that point, either because he was the leader of the anti-Jesus alliance in heaven, who controlled all of the major territories, or even if this was after he got exiled to earth, he was still authorized to rule the world. Jesus refers to him as the “ruler of this world” several times during his ministry. We know that, after Jesus has ascended to Heaven and appears to John to give him the Revelation, he gives messages to the churches, and directly blames the devil for the imprisonment and murder of the saints (Rev 2:10), which implies that the conspiracy is able to influence the judicial systems of the world. John says in his letters that “Antichrist” is not a singular man who was coming to threaten them, as the Jews had heard (probably from local rumors), but was a global spirit that affected many people (1 John 2:18, 1 John 4:3, 1 John 2:22). The anti-Christian conspiracy has been driven by this satanic spirit since the beginning. God allows this spirit to drag the world into deception, so that it becomes worse and worse. Why? To prove a point, that no matter how powerful Satan becomes, he can’t manage to snuff out the Holy Spirit and the Kingdom.
In Conclusion
Could you share with us what projects or research you are currently working on? Additionally, for those interested in following your work and staying updated, how can they best stay in touch with you and access your latest insights and publications?
I’m very excited about my currently book on the Beast System. It’s a deep dive into the topic of the Beast, using scripture and historical evidence to show that God has been controlling world events for thousands of years, and we are in good hands. Rather than generating fear and paranoia, I always try to provide the foundation for confidence, stability, and the tools to fight back. False hope and dead-ends only create anxiety and doubts. There is only one hope, and it is God. Once you’re on His side, you can’t lose. Alive or dead, free or imprisoned, you’re taken care of. My current Substack series is basically a bunch of sermons on this topic.
My website is wolfpox.com. That’s the name I was using on TikTok before I got banned, so I figured I should use what people would recognize me as, and stop somebody else from stealing it. My books are available there, along with a link to my email address if people have questions or want to invite me to do a speaking engagement, and so on. My YouTube channel is being updated with my TNT appearances as of this year, so you can watch me discuss the latest world events with the wonderful Hrvoje Moric. If World War III breaks out, you’ll see me talk about it there.
Finally, I just want to say that I appreciate your questions and sincere desire for insight. I know that people want a defense against the madness that’s coming, and yes Christianity could hold back the flood and restore some sanity going forward, but I would be lying if I said that there’s a chance to save this world from the death cult that has taken control. Right now, the question is how you’re going to face the coming nightmare. For me it’s an easy choice, but I’ve been spiritually preparing myself for 20 years and I welcome it by now. God says that cowards will not be welcome in His eternal presence (Rev 21:8). It takes courage to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, because everyone has to leave something else behind. That may be family, friends, lifestyles, atheism, or even a church denomination. The goal of the believer is to escape your past and join a family which transcends skin color, nationality, time, and space. You don’t have to understand everything in order to enter the Kingdom. In fact, Jesus says we have to start over and humble ourselves if we want to join his revolution: “Truly I tell you,” he said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 18:3) I know that God will open the eyes, and give courage to those who love the truth more than their own lives.
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