My closest friend is Jewish, non-practicing, so I’m hopeful this will not hurt his feelings (fingers crossed).
Male circumcision as a religious ritual, is not the subject of this stack.
Now with that out of the way…
The above video is about 8 minutes long and the circumcision bit comes in at around 3.30.
Male circumcision as a medical intervention, turns out is simply more American industrial scale medical malfeasance, which interests me, because if you say “it’s for the health of the baby” you need to make three cases, and you need to make them well so that they can withstand rigorous scrutiny and interrogation.
If you fail to make even one of the cases, you shouldn’t intervene with surgery.
NSE: The 3-legged stool
The case for Necessity
The case for Safety
The case for Effectiveness
Any one of these three legs that collapses, brings down the whole stool. You cannot balance anything on that stool, not honestly at least.
This is the three-legged stool of all medical interventions. I’ve used this stool model with childhood vaccination for over a year and each one of them fails, in my opinion, on this simple analysis.
Male circumcision, as a medical intervention, in the vast majority of cases, doesn’t survive the stool test either.
Now to Hitchens above…
I was in love with Hitchens for a long time. He was the best at articulating the rationalist argument against religion. I agreed with him entirely, once upon a time. I cried when he passed away. I paid a lot of attention to Sam Harris when he picked up the new atheist baton. I cannot stand Harris anymore, it pains me to listen to anything that he says, Trump deranged him. Frankly it pains me to listen to any of the new atheists, what a pompous bunch (I was one of those pompous bunch once).
I no longer agree with Hitchens, although I miss him, and I don’t believe that Trump would have deranged him. I think if he was alive, I would still love his partially true take on the subject of religion, while accepting that it was deeply flawed and missing far too much. The point he makes in the video above that it (like all ideologies and beliefs), can get good people to do bad things, is more than fair, it’s just painfully incomplete of the much higher-level discussion of religion.
It’s the first time I saw someone make the case against male circumcision, and it rang true to me. I hadn’t really thought about it before then. I didn’t follow the thread and never went looking deeper into the subject.
Years passed, and early this year, as I was looking into childhood vaccination, I came across Candace Owens and her wonderful Shot in the Dark series, and episode 2, which is about Vitamin K, which is about male circumcision.
Episode 2: “Just A Vitamin” K Shot
In May 2022 I wrote this:
So, it turns out that this whole Vit K charade is the by product of US Pharma circumcision mania. Outside of all the Muslim countries America has the highest circumcision rate, an astonishing 80.5%, followed by South Korea (whose medical system was built by the US after the Korean War) with 77% and then followed by Australia (America Lite) with 58%.
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If you want to circumcise for “health” reasons, why not simply wait until day 8 like everybody else and then your baby doesn’t need “clotting assistance”.
A “story” has been sold that secular circumcision is a health based decision. It somehow reduces your risk of an STD, that it reduces the risk of HIV and transmitting HPV and reduces the risk of penile cancer. That is all Pharma generated BS.
As to penile cancer, if it was true that it is reduced by circumcision you simply look at countries that don’t circumcise for health reasons such as Denmark (5.3% circumcision rate) and a penile cancer rate of 0.82 per 100,000 men compared to the US (80.5% circumcision rate) and a 1 in 100,000 rate of penile cancer in men. Yes, higher in the US that in Denmark!
You might be wondering why US Pharma would concoct a “health circumcision” narrative, well it turns out at least one of the reasons is that there is a “foreskin” industry. Yes, you heard that right, hospitals sell the baby foreskin, it’s a money spinner apparently. Candace cover this is the beginning of Episode 4 in the first 8 minutes, definitely worth a listen.
Here is a link to an example of a foreskin product. It is finding its way into very expensive beauty products.
And here is the best Vit K story of the lot. A father warding off the system from injecting his newborn girl (!), no male to circumcise but they still wanted to get the “clotting agent” into her.
I’m interested in official industrial narrative. In the medical space especially. It seems particularly easy to get people to believe in things that are not true in the medical arena.
With that said, a reader (Edmond Dantès, alias) with extensive knowledge in the subject got in touch, bringing the subject into focus again for me, so I asked him to send me something detailed that I could share. As a side note, The Count of Monte Cristo was one of my favourite books growing up. That’s who Edmond Dantès is. I’ve always remembered that his fiancés name was Mercedes.
Anyway, I digress, Edmond kindly put together the attached, which is a deep dive into the subject.
It might be more than most want to read, but for those with more than a passing interest in the subject, it’s there for you. If you are pregnant and about to have a boy, it might be of interest to you, and hopefully useful in making a more informed choice.
Here is a summary (ai) of the document:
A 'CURE' LOOKING FOR DISEASE: MALE GENITAL MUTILATION – by Edmond Dantès
Introduction:
The initial comment made on the article "Ethical is as ethical does" discusses the role of the fight or flight response in various illnesses and the disconnect between how doctors see themselves and their actions. The comment also highlights the trauma caused to babies by medical procedures such as circumcision and how this trauma can lead to chronic illness later in life.
This message discusses the trauma caused by circumcision and the unnecessary nature of the procedure. It also highlights the role of ignorance in the United States in causing injury to the foreskin and the perpetuation of the circumcision industry.
The Effects of Trauma on the Body:
Trauma can have a significant impact on the body, even if the individual cannot consciously recall the traumatic event. This is known as somatic experiencing, where the body encodes and remembers the trauma. The more Adverse Childhood Events (ACEs) an individual experiences, the higher their risk of chronic illness and lower life expectancy.
The Trauma of Male Genital Mutilation:
Male genital mutilation, also known as circumcision, is a common practice in many countries. However, it can be a traumatic experience for male infants, as it involves the removal of a sensitive and functional part of the body without the individual's consent. Research has shown that circumcised boys show many symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), including anxiety, depression, and a lack of trust in caregivers.
The Link Between Trauma and Autism:
There is evidence to suggest that trauma, particularly in early life, can increase the risk of autism. The fight or flight response activates the amygdala, the brain's threat detector, and can make the blood-brain barrier more permeable, leading to the deposit of heavy metals in the brain. This may explain why boys are more likely to be diagnosed with autism than girls.
The Role of the Medical System in Traumatizing Children:
The medical system plays a significant role in traumatizing children, especially baby boys. Procedures such as circumcision and vaccination can cause significant stress and trauma to the developing brain and body. It is important for medical professionals to consider the long-term effects of these procedures on the health and well-being of children.
The Trauma of Circumcision:
Circumcision is a traumatic experience for male infants, causing them to enter a dissociative state known as deep freeze. This is a response to the pain and stress of the procedure and is similar to the fight or flight response. The trauma of circumcision can have long-term effects on the individual's physical and mental health.
The Unnecessary Nature of Circumcision:
Circumcision is rarely medically necessary, with studies indicating that only around 0.01% of males may require the procedure due to medical necessity. Infections, such as balanitis, can be treated with oral antibiotics and proper hygiene. The only exception may be rare congenital birth defects that require circumcision.
The Role of Ignorance in Causing Foreskin Injury:
In the United States, ignorance about the natural penis and foreskin can lead to injury and complications. Forcible retraction of the foreskin, where the foreskin is pulled back before it is ready, can cause injury, pain, bleeding, and scar tissue. Using soap to clean the retracted penis can also cause irritation and inflammation. These actions are often taken out of ignorance, as healthcare workers in the United States are not adequately trained in the care of the natural penis. As a result, complications with the natural penis are more common in the United States than in countries where the natural penis is better understood and respected.
The Circumcision Industry:
The ignorance and complications caused by forcible retraction and improper care of the natural penis create demand for circumcision. The medical establishment then perpetuates the myth that circumcision is necessary, leading to a cycle of injury and mutilation.
Conclusion:
It is crucial to recognize the impact of trauma on the body and the role that the medical system can play in traumatizing children. By understanding the consequences of these procedures, we can work towards a more ethical and compassionate approach to healthcare.
Circumcision is a traumatic and unnecessary procedure that is perpetuated by ignorance and the profit motive of the medical establishment. It is important to recognize the harm caused by circumcision and to educate ourselves about the natural penis and proper care.
References:
Irene Lyon, "Healing Trauma: Free Resources" (https://irenelyon.com/healing-trauma-freeresources/)
Irene Lyon, "Free Resources" (https://irenelyon.com/free-resources-2/)
Seth Lyon, "Powerful Roots of Porn Addiction Can Be Traced to Male Genital Mutilation" (https://sethlyon.com/powerful-roots-porn-addiction-can/)
"Neonatal male circumcision is associated with altered adult socio-affective processing" (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33299934/)
"Amygdala, the Brain's Threat Detector, Has Broad Roles in Autism" (https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/amygdala-the-brains-threat-detector-has-broad-roles-in-autism/)
Jeanice Barcelo, "Medical Kidnap" (https://www.medicalkidnap.com/)
Dr. Ronald Goldman, "Circumcision: The Hidden Trauma"
"43%, Four Out of Ten Intact (Not Circumcised) Boys Will Experience Having Their Foreskin Forcibly Torn From Its Foundation by Misguided Adults" (https://intactamerica.org/)
Doctors Opposing Circumcision (https://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/)
"New Study: Forcible Retraction of the Foreskin Can Cause a Lifetime of Pain" (https://www.intactnews.org/new-study-forcible-retraction-of-the-foreskin-can-cause-a-lifetime-of-pain/)
I wanted to see what the narrative generators thought about it, so obviously went to Wiki:
United States
As of 2014, an estimated 80.5% of American men are circumcised, and the prevalence of the procedure is considered to be near-universal in the country.[13][39] After favorable statements on circumcision were published on circumcision by major medical organizations in the United States, including a 2012 statement on circumcision by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and a 2014 statement by the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the incidence of circumcision in the United States has likely risen.[15] The CDC has calculated the present rate of circumcision in the United States to be 81%.
Circumcision was the second-most common procedure performed on patients under one year of age, after routine inoculations and prophylactic vaccinations.[46] There are various explanations for why the infant circumcision rate in the United States is different from comparable countries. Many parents’ decisions about circumcision are preconceived, which may contribute to the high rate of elective circumcision.[47] Brown & Brown (1987) reported the most correlated factor is whether the father is circumcised.[48]
Is anyone surprised that the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) recommend it?
Is there a more captured organization than the AAP?
This from Dr. Robert Yoho’s excellent book Butchered by Healthcare (2020). Robert also makes the pdf freely available here. I encourage people to support his work.
In the US, the following are some of the most commonly performed major surgical procedures for rough comparison.
The numbers below are yearly totals from several sources.
Cesarean section—1,272,000
Circumcision—1,108,000
Hernia repair—1,000,000
Arthroplasty of the knee—728,000
Hysterectomy—600,000
Angioplasty and stents—560,000
Laminectomy (spinal disc removal)—525,000
Spinal fusion—488,000
Cholecystectomy—300,000
There are grave questions about seven of these nine procedures, given their frequency. Even circumcision has vocal detractors. No surgery is risk free, even if the indications are proper. The financial rewards for providers doing things have led to overuse, corrupt practice, and then patient harm.
Lastly, I wanted to see what the ai would say about the health benefits:
Male circumcision is the surgical removal of the foreskin, which is the skin that covers the tip of the penis. It is a common procedure that is often performed for cultural, religious, or personal reasons. Some people believe that circumcision has a number of health benefits, although the evidence for these benefits is not always clear. Here are a few potential health benefits of male circumcision:
1. Reduced risk of urinary tract infections: Circumcision may reduce the risk of urinary tract infections (UTIs) in males, particularly in infants and young children. UTIs can cause fever, pain when urinating, and abdominal pain.
2. Reduced risk of sexually transmitted infections: Some studies have suggested that circumcision may reduce the risk of sexually transmitted infections (STIs) such as HIV, human papillomavirus (HPV), and genital herpes. However, other studies have not found a significant association between circumcision and reduced risk of STIs.
3. Reduced risk of penile cancer: Circumcision may reduce the risk of penile cancer, a rare type of cancer that affects the skin of the penis. However, the overall risk of developing penile cancer is low, regardless of whether a man is circumcised or not.
4. Improved hygiene: Some people believe that circumcision makes it easier to keep the penis clean, as the foreskin can harbor bacteria and other substances that may contribute to the development of infections.
It's important to note that circumcision is a personal decision, and the benefits and risks should be carefully weighed by individuals and their families. It's also important to use safe sexual practices, such as using condoms, to reduce the risk of STIs.
Notice “may”, “may reduce”, “suggested”, “may contribute”. This is high quality, ai generated, rubbish.
Obviously, nobody told all the men in Denmark that they “may” have all these problems.
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