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I think you should interview me. I cowrote "The Mercury Detoxification Manual ," with Andy Cutler, PhD who wrote, "Amalgam Illness" and "Hair Test Interpretation." He was a research scientist with a PhD in Chemistry from Princeton. He figured out a chelation protocol for mercury and other heavy metals. We have a 95,000 member support group for people recovering from chronic mercury toxicity. There are also several resources for learning how to chelate children. We have been plugging away at helping people for decades now, mostly in obscurity because we don't have the kind of marketing that the zeolite people seem to have.

Andy said that zeolites do not move any metals. He thought that the results people experience are due to modulation of the gut microbiome. All these kids have dysbiosis and adrenal challenges because of the metals.

It takes years of plugging away at this tedious protocol to fully detox. It is not something that is an easy sell. People want a solution that works right away. That is not possible with metals. You can't. move them very fast because they are so poisonous.

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You worked with Andy Cutler?! OMW! I followed him on the Autism-Mercury group for a long time. What a brilliant character! I have both of his books.

Mercury isn't talked about much any more.

I did hair analysis on my son and myself years ago. My son had very high aluminum. He was dx'd wIth Crohn's. My mercury was from the left side of the chart all the way across the page to the right edge of the page. I had my amalgams removed later, which probably made things worse because I didn't have a savvy dentist.

Are you familiar with Freya Koss' story? Amazing. Her site also has excellent information.

I've read conflicting information about zeolite. Dr. Klinghardt warns about things that stir metals up, may redistribute the metals, but don't necessarily excrete them. Same with cilantro. I do think shilajit works.

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Yes I did. He died in 2017 alas. I really miss him and being able to ask him questions. He had all this knowledge right there in his head.

There is a new book which I cowrote with him. That is how I learned everything I know because he was quite rigorous about what he made me study. I am a French major! Never took a chemistry course in my life.

Here is a link to the book: https://shop.maybeitsmercury.com/index.php/product/the-mercury-detoxification-manual/

The advantage of having no technical background is I had to understand the concepts myself and was then able to explain them to other lay people.

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Have you done research that extends beyond mercury? I am curious since many people have heavy metal toxicity of more than one metal. For instance, many years ago when I was tested prior to a chelation protocol, I was elevated in lead, cadmium and cesium (not Al not mercury). Could zeolite be effective for some heavy metals but not others as some research has suggested? I for one, would love to hear more about your mercury research and findings!

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Yes. In the book we talk about other metals, too. We use hair tests to look for metals. They are not straightforward to interpret. For instance mercury is often not excreted in to the hair. But it does mess with mineral transport across cell walls and this will show up in patterns in the essential elements.

No. According to Cutler, zeoloites do not move metals. If people are feeling better from using them, it is for some other reason.

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Zeolite, just like any other nanotech, most likely doesn't belong in the blood. Moreover, the irregularities in the blood are most likely only a stage in the process of turning the human body into a semi-synthetic entity, and as the whole process seems to have been planned by a superior AI, all "protective measures" are only likely to speed up the process...

I know. I am already halfway synthetic:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/being-synthetic-when-i-nearly-died

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Thankyou Unbekoming.

Wow - it is fascinating how polarising this subject is.

We have an expert in Jeff who brings with him data (see his website). My recommendation to interview him was because modern reliable data is crucial. He shows you how you can access your own data to track this. Yes, he makes a case for a specific type of Zeolite, as plausible as any other expert, but none of the other experts have data nor make it easy for you to access your own data.

To those who still believe that the hTMA is an absolute measure of their cellular mineral status, it is not. It is a measure of minerals in the hair, and what being excreted in the hair. Please see Jeffs trainings - support your own experiments with hTMA with this knowledge to hand but get an Oligoscan to track the protocol. But above all track your symptoms. And I can vouch for his suggestion that for any symptoms of detox - just increase the dose. Which is interestingly supported by what I discovered last month ....

It was 2 days post dropping the dreaded caffeine...I had a bit of a fall out and felt like I was "getting a cold". So much so I took off to bed for a morning to sleep it off. I woke streaming with what seemed like a full blown cold. It wasn't for another few hours when it dawned on me, that this was none other than a cellular detox. Following Jeffs philosophy - I took a large dose of zeolite. Within 5 minutes everything had cleared. Everything.

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When I saw the price for this stuff, Whoa!! That price took me through weekly chelation treatments for 3 months. He did make points I can relate to. Chelation does wipe you out, nutritionally and physically. The amount of nutrients I had to take to replace what had just been torpedoed by chelation was enormous. Plus, I smelled to high heaven from the B's at the end.

I'd be interested to know why the 1st woman who nailed down all the sources of aluminum to avoid (same as mine but my list is longer) specifically nixed zeolite. It doesn't necessarily come down to cost but given Hoyt's zeal in promoting zeolite, I'm wondering if the price he charges plays a significant role. I also wonder why you need a 5 month supply. What if your detox was completely successful after 2 months, how would you know? As for me, I can only take a product for as long as needed and not one day more, otherwise I get severe reactions from overload. Too many questions.

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Thanks for your comment! Each jar only costs $59. The 20-pack which is our five-month high-dose protocol is $999. It is very unlikely that you are going to get all of the metals out of your body in two months . It takes years. Five months is a great start but the longer you have had the metals the longer it will take to remove them. If you have been accumulated metals in tissue for 20 years the body won't let them all go in 2 months or even 5 months. the body will detox at it's own pace. The healthier you are, the faster you will detox. Testing for heavy metals is very tricky because no test is looking at organ levels. So there really isn't any way to know if you've gotten all of the metals out. The best approach is to test regularly (every 4-6 weeks) to see how your body is processing metals. But this becomes very expensive and most people would rather spend the money on the detox protocol opposed to a bunch of testing.

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Thanks this was an interesting read. I am very much on the fence with the use of zeolites.

I’ve been following Kaleigh (Nutrition Elements) information on zeolites. She has a few posts on it lots of saved stories on her Instagram page. https://www.instagram.com/p/C7nCt8Ku9nn/?igsh=a2E5NnV1Zmthdnh2

I believe Kaleigh and her husband are working on a documentary on zeolites. Would love to see you do an interview with Kaleigh on zeolites.

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Thanks for the link Jess. I'm not sure who dr Exley is but the information he provided is strictly speculative with a bias against zeolite. You can search "clinoptilolite zeolite" on pubmed and see for yourself.

I am familiar with the Nutrition Elements page and have spoken to her husband about the documentary. There goal is simple- to slander zeolite with incredibly biased information while pretending to be neutral. I don't necessarily blame them because I think they had a bad experience with a nano or liquid zeolite supplement. I highly discourage the use of those supplements. the problem is that they are grouping all zeolites together which isn't fair. In defense of Kaleigh and her husband, there isn't research on nano and liquid zeolites and everyone should be skeptical of those products. The research has been conducted on natural clinoptilolite zeolite. When speaking with her husband he knew very little about zeolite and didn't understand the difference between the different types. He was clearly not interested in putting out an unbiased documentary. They want to shut down the zeolite industry.

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I have to admit, I am still on the fence regarding zeolite products even though I mentioned that one may want to consider it for a heavy metal detox. My post on zeolites that included many unanswered questions is here: https://trufoods.substack.com/p/zeolite-does-it-remove-heavy-metals.

This interview is intriguing because I had learned that only a nanoparticle size will cross the BBB which differs than what was said here. Additionally, from the limited human zeolite research, it appears that zeolite may remove some heavy metals but can increase the amount of others. It is confusing for sure and honestly, I think we need more human data on this topic especially since we are exposed to heavy metals from our food, water, soil and from injections. I appreciate you sharing all the differing view points because there is no easy straightforward answer to many of the topics that you cover. Keep up the exellent posts!

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Thanks for your comment Karen! While I promote Zeocharge as a full-body detox, I don't say that it crosses the BBB. I think what makes high-dose powdered zeolite so effective is its ability to effectively bind to the daily dose of toxins (metabolic waste products, microbial waste products, environmental toxictants, etc) which will raise the body's detox potential to the point where it has the energy to naturally start pushing out metals and toxicants from tissue. That is how I think zeolite works (proper dose zeolite). It is not going in and directly removing mercury from the brain or any tissue. It is simply cleaning up the toxic environment and raising the body's "detox energy" so it can start naturally detoxing at its own pace. I find it unlikely that the liquid zeolite products claiming to cross the BBB are actually dosing so. It would be difficult for a tiny dose of zeolite to pass through the digestive tract and absorb through the intestinal lining into the blood stream without using up all of the binding capacity before reaching the brain. Maybe it absorbs in the mouth...either way I would say it is best not to have zeolite in your brain. It is much safer and more effective to have your body naturally dump metals from the brain. You may be interested in checking out our case studies page on zeolitelabs.com. Zeocharge definitely can remove all 15 heavy metals tested for from tissue...once again I think this is a downstream effect of detox, not direct binding in tissue. But one way or the other it works. Thanks for everything you do, keep up the great work!

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Thank you for your reply Jeff. From what you are saying, it sounds like zeolite is similar to a binder such as activated charcoal which can only remove recent toxins from the GI tract and cannot cross the BBB. But by doing so, it reduces the burden so that the body can do its job optimally. I am glad that you are collecting case studies although I'm unfamiliar with the type of test you are using to measure levels before and after and it's validity. I will watch the videos on your site when I have the chance to do so. I had sent a request to a liquid zeolite product company a while back asking if they collected before and after data with their product. They never got back to me which was unfortunate.

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The test I use is called the Oligoscan. It is a tissue analysis utilizing spectrophotometry. If interested you can check out a video I made discussing the oligoscan and comparing it to other methods.

https://rumble.com/v4a78wl-heavy-metal-testing-guide-and-test-comparison.html

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I took that nano zeolite spray that has the first bottle for $5, and noticed no change. My toddler took it and there was no speech explosion. We stopped taking it. The article seems to explain why! But now I try avoiding all nano things. His bit at the end of using it as a delivery system is frightening actually.

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You might look into Kerri Rivera's work. Unbecoming has an interview with her. She has done amazing work with many children.

Your artwork is delightful!

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I’ve seen her name around, thank you! I do thank God VERY often for how we woke up to the bigger horrors of pHarma in time for my son’s birth. He does not have autism and I believe that’s Kerri’s specialty? Interestingly, my son IS having a speech explosion on the trip we’re currently on where he’s just not drinking as much of his high calorie formula as usual (long story why we’re on it but hoping to wean off and this encourages me even more)! Makes me wonder what’s in it. But maybe I don’t want to know. 😬

Thank you about the artwork! All glory to God 😊

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You introduce "CD" early in the text w/o saying what it is.

I searched for a definition of the term and could not find.

What is it?

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Looks like Chlorine Dioxide - if you follow the link to the first full article referenced

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Hello,

Be careful using zeolite .

Dr. Ana Maria Mihalcea has found it loaded with nanobots and other nanooarticles that shouldn't be there:

https://open.substack.com/pub/anitabaxasmd/p/masterpiece-of-deception-a-trilogy

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One one definitely be careful when taking zeolite...it is important to understand that not all zeolite is the same. There are many types of zeolite naturally occurring along with synthetic and lab-grown zeolites. There are nano-sized and liquid zeolites which often cause problems as well. Natural clinoptilolite zeolite powder is the way to go. Dr. Ana is analyzing a liquid nano-zeolite mixed with marine plasma in her article. It is not comparable to a powdered zeolite product like Zeocharge. Unfortunately many companies have taken an incredible product and ruined it. Zeocharge is a natural clinoptilolite zeolite with no nanoparticles or nanobots or anything nano.

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Hi Jeff,

I think it is worse than you think, no matter what kind of zeolite used, sorry.

I bought some years ago but was a waste of money because it didn't so anything for me via homeopath muscle testing.

Check out today's new post by Professor Anita Baxas, MD:

Part 2: Zeolite Enhances Nanotech Functionality

https://open.substack.com/pub/anitabaxasmd/p/masterpiece-of-deception

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I do not definitively know whether zeolite works, but here is what I wrote in Judas Dentistry. Note that Boyd Haley's product OSR does work, as demonstrated by 50 million dollars worth of rat and human studies on severely toxic subjects. However, it does not usually immediately relieve symptoms. Mercury has a half-life of 30 years. and even OSR does not effectively stimulate excretion, although it does inactivate mercury. https://robertyoho.substack.com/p/319-key-post-osr-is-a-chelator-that?utm_source=publication-search. Haley is the foremost expert on mercury toxicity worldwide.

Mercury detoxification using zeolite

Zeolites are synthetic microporous structures that are available on Amazon. Terri Franklin, her co-author, some IAOMT dentists, and many other sources recommend these. Kerri Rivera, a world expert on the detoxification of autistic children, says that zeolite works if you use the right brand (Chapter 15).

However, Becky Dutton, who has observed hundreds of patients in mercury detox over many years, says that zeolite is not a good chelator and cites this REFERENCE. I could only find it on the Wayback Machine, so it was suppressed. It quotes recognized expert Boyd Haley, professor of chemistry at the University of Kentucky. He writes that zeolite redistributes rather than removes mercury:

[Zeolite] does not significantly remove mercury from an aqueous solution. … it seems very unlikely that [this] water insoluble material would have any direct effect on removing mercury from cells, mitochondria, or the brain… How exactly will a non-water soluble material like zeolite cause urinary mercury excretion as shown in previous studies? If the negative charges on the insoluble zeolite really did bind mercury, it should take it out via the fecal route. … this looks very much like many previous “miracle mercury cures” that just takes a lot of money from the unsuspecting parents looking for any help for their child… but this data was never published in a decent journal…

Zeolites contain high levels of aluminum, a heavy metal. Although the zeolite salespeople talk about how the aluminum in their product is “caged”, hair tests done by parents found that aluminum levels spiked.

Haley was involved with developing a related product, so he may have a conflict of interest.

Dutton also privately surveyed six experts in preparation for this book. All had doubts about zeolite. Chris Exley, the “Aluminum Man,” wrote to her: “I would never take [a zeolite]; they have neither been shown to be effective for aluminium in a clinical trial nor indeed to be safe for human consumption. My advice is to avoid.”  

The sales pitch is that you can buy this product and do it yourself. Since there are pitfalls, an experienced expert should help with any detox process. Many of them recommend safer and more effective methods than zeolite.

Theodore Sturgeon famously said, “Ninety percent of everything is crap.” This was from the 1950s, and things are far worse today. Controversy is a sign that something stinks, so I am skeptical of commercial products like these.

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Thanks for your comments Dr. Yoho! I agree with most of what you wrote. There is a huge difference in quality between zeolite products on the market and unfortunately all zeolite gets grouped together. The zeolite industry has been taken over by MLM companies and a lot of terrible products that are giving zeolite a bad name. Many people also get confused when doing research by using the search term "zeolite" instead of "clinoptilolite." There is a lot of research on synthetic zeolite which is not safe for human consumption. It acts differently than naturally occurring clinoptilolite zeolite. I agree with you that most supplements on the market are crap- mostly just marketing companies taking advantage of people. Zeolite Labs, the company that makes Zeocharge is a small company that has never spent a single dollar on marketing and uses almost no social media. We have gained popularity by providing education on how zeolite works and not making ridiculous claims like most companies. We absolutely do no recommend the use of nano, liquid or synthetic zeolite products. These are what have been causing issues in the industry.

Thanks for bringing up OSR. I love Boyd Haley and he has made an incredible contribution to the world through his research along with his great chelating compound. I have quite a bit of experience with OSR and was using it long before I had ever heard of zeolite. And once I started using zeolite I always combined OSR with zeolite because I figured zeolite may not have a strong enough bond to remove mercury, plus OSR is hydrophobic and designed to go to fatty tissue like the brain where mercury is stored. Long story short- I now believe that Zeocharge is more effective for removing mercury from tissue than OSR for those with complex health challenges. While it is absolutely true that OSR has a much stronger affinity for mercury than zeolite, ultimately the key to an effective tissue level detox is for the body to naturally release mercury and other metals on its own. If the brain cells do not want to let go of mercury, they will not. Even when taking OSR. There are thousands of people on OSR support groups that have had devastating reactions to OSR and many report a tug-o-war effect in their brain. Detox has to be approached differently when someone has a very complex health challenge and is classified as "too sick to detox." While OSR is by far the best option available for removing circulating mercury the body may be resistant to let go of intracellular mercury in tissue. So for acute mercury toxicity it is the best option, but for chronic mercury issues it usually is not. For many people OSR will remove tissue mercury, but for others it will not. The body simply will not let go if it doesn't want to. The challenge with OSR and other synthetic chelators is that they are designed for heavy metals but are not binding the many other toxins and toxicants we are exposed to that are making up the majority of our toxic load. I believe the key to a successful detox for individuals with serious health challenges is to effectively bind to the daily dose of toxins (metabolic waste products, microbial waste products, environmental toxictants, etc) which will raise the body's detox potential to the point where it has the energy to naturally start pushing out mercury from tissue. That is how I think zeolite works (proper dose zeolite). It is not going in and directly removing mercury from the brain or any tissue. It is simply cleaning up the toxic environment and raising the body's "detox energy" so it can start naturally detoxing at its own pace. I do think OSR is fantastic but is limited for some people due to only binding to metals.

Regarding the comment about aluminum spiking on hair tests. That is not a helpful indicator unless multiple tests were conducted to determine a trend. The goal with heavy metal testing is to see metals rise, indicating metals are leaving tissue and being excreted from the body. The body cycles back and forth between dumping metals and cleaning them up. So on a hair test or any other heavy metal tests levels will rise and fall. That is why I advocate for monthly testing if testing is going to be conducted. You can check out some of our case studies on our website showing that Zeocharge does not raise tissue levels of aluminum even at high doses, and usually has a strong aluminum detoxing affect. You will also see how incredible Zeocharge is at removing mercury from tissue. There is no research indicating that natural clinoptilolite zeolite will cause aluminum toxicity. it is simply speculation based on chemical makeup of zeolite- synthetic zeolite is what has been shown to result in aluminum accumulation in tissue.

In regards to your comment about recommending safer and more effective methods of detox...I believe high dose powdered zeolite is the safest and most effective detox method on the market. Or at least the best I have found yet. The only reason I do what I do is because high-dose zeolite powder works for so many people when OSR, IV chelation and all other methods of detox have failed. I have family members who were on OSR for over 2 years at 300-600g per day with zero improvement. One month after going off OSR and starting Zeocharge there were dramatic improvements in symptoms and also metals moving on lab testing when they were stuck while taking OSR. There are always many approaches and I'm not saying zeolite is the only way to get the job done, but it certainly shouldn't be thrown out as a possible solution.

Keep up the great work and thanks for all that you do!

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Given the high aluminum content in zeolites, I’m wondering if this isn’t a situation where you end up trading one problem for another. I’m much more worried about aluminum given its suspected role in Alzheimer’s and autism. I’m a bit skeptical of taking the word of a guy selling zeolite that zeolite doesn’t break down and contribute more aluminum to your system. As much as we should be skeptical of Big Pharma, we should also be skeptical of Big Zeolite.

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Thanks for your comment! I appreciate your concern regarding aluminum. I'd like to say that I am not "Big Zeolite." Zeolite labs is a family-owned company and we have never spent a single dollar on advertising. We simply provide education and are mainly focused on helping people detox that have not been able to endure other detox protocols due to terrible detox reactions. you don't have to take my word about zeolite not causing aluminum toxicity. Feel free to comb through pubmed for "clinoptilolite zeolite" and see for yourself. You can also check out our case studies page showing that Zeocharge clearly does not raise tissue levels of aluminum over time and actually has a strong aluminum detoxing effect.

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Your web site seems to be offline.

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It seems to be working on my end. Are you still not able to access the site?

https://www.zeolitelabs.com/

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This interview was helpful. I’ve tried the nano particle zeolite and always felt worse as a result. I’ve repeatedly gone back to it thinking it must have been something else that was making me feel ill. In spite of all my tries, I’ve never had a positive outcome. What he says makes sense. Guess I’m going to give this a try.

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Thank you for this. After testing for metal poisoning showed very high levels of aluminum, arsenic, and mercury, I started on Zeolites but stopped when I learned they can be a source of aluminum. Being able to form new memories(learn) again is more important to me than mercury or arsenic, and now I have a way to cleanse more rapidly than with Fiji water and not add more aluminium.😀

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Too many do not understand that zeolites ARE aluminum. What makes aluminum even more toxic is the nano size which crosses bbb. There are many studies on zeolite toxicity. It is another fad pushed by online “health experts” that haven’t done their homework or choose to ignore it for profit. I cringe whenever I see a well known, well meaning “expert” push this crap.

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Aluminum (bauxite) is one of the most common elements in the earth's crust, but one of the most difficult to refine. The reason it was never refined until the late 1850's and was never produced on any scale until hydroelectric power became available is the incredible amount of heat required to smelt it means an electric arc is the only efficient manner. I really don't know what to believe anymore, but it seems like unrefined aluminium ores can't be toxic to life since they are ubiquitous in the environment. I guess I will stick with my Fiji water for now. Only problem is it takes a year to pull the aluminum out of the body. Thank you for replying.

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Following are two videos involving a specific formula of zeolite and how this formula is proven to remove many toxic metals, graphene oxide and other forever chemicals.

SGT Report - THIS INCREDIBLE DISCOVERY WILL HELP SAVE THE VAXXED and TRANSFECTED Oct. 29, 2024 59.27

https://rumble.com/v5ka09v-this-incredible-discovery-will-help-save-the-vaxxed-and-transfected-dr.-rob.html?e9s=rel_v2_pr

DisInformation Ignorance & MisEducation / MasterPeace Zeolite Z Response Ends Lies - March 2024—May 25th 59.25

https://rumble.com/v4x5afz-disinformation-ignorance-and-miseducation-masterpeace-zeolite-z-response-en.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Human%20Consciousness%20Support%20%28Official%29

I would suggest you interview Dr. Robert O Young www.drrobertyoung.com for further information as he has done extensive research on zeolite and would be pleased to share it with you.

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very interesting

i just started working with aluminium and was thinking about buying the liquid zeolites

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There is a much safer way to remove aluminum from your body, silica water. The form of silica found in water is ortho silicic acid. The ortho silicic acid forms, a tight bond with aluminum detoxifying it, as well as facilitating its elimination from the body. Check out the interviews with Chris, Exley, and Dennis N Crouse. There are many waters that have enough silica to remove aluminum and you can also make your own, Silicade. Fiji, Volvic,acilis, gerolsteiner are examples of silica rich water.

You need to drink 3 to 4 cups of water a day and spread your drinking throughout the day.

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Thanks. I researched bottled water years ago. Still blows my mind how folks buy leagues of that stuff. Saw a lady today that could barely push her cart out the door. Nary a bottle of Fiji which I buy for a detox. At the time Fiji was the only good water. And it tastes like no other.

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Wary of all commercial products

Had my Ivermectin moment.

I stick with negatively charged Bentonite clay.

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Zeolite Labs is a small family-owned company. Bentonite clay has been used for many used with decent results so if that's working for you great! But in my opinion it doesn't compare to a high-quality zeolite powder. But there are a number of great detox products out there so I always encourage people to take what they are most comfortable with and what they believe in most!

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