Thanks Unbecoming. I play (so far) a small part in the unlearning deception project. Pain is partially reconciled through acceptance and not taking rejection personally. I have promoted an idea for about fourty years now, relating to our root assumption about reality being 'split' between the spiritual and the physical. Maybe I am wrong given the lack of interest or engagement on the question, still I consider that the spiritual and the physical are fundamentally similar rather than being fundamentally different as both secular and religious folk take them to be. We are dysfunctional because we carry on with a false root assumption about reality. Recognition of this will help us on our way to the great awakening and our unlearning process.
The spiritual & physical worlds are real. The learning of conscious weaving is the task of humanity. You may appreciate the philosopher Rudolf Steiner & what he shares through Anthroposophy, toward this understanding & weaving.
Thanks for your comment Blythe Fair. No weaving needed if they are seen as basically the same thing. My best friend read every Steiner book written, some 140 books he said. I did not see that it helped in developing discrimination as he supported injections and idealistic notions (solutions) that did not properly identify the problem. Steiner was also associated with Malthusian personalities and Gnostic thinking, which to me reflects disrespect toward the physical aspect of reality. Thankfully we remained friends until the end when the injection finally killed him, without him thinking it was the injection, as far as I could tell. Our uncountable hours discussing philosophical issues is part of why I have skepticism toward all spiritual teachers. The dictionary def for Spirituality is to have more interest in human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things. I protest, so I 'asked' what is spirituality? The response given was; Spirituality is the responsible use or application of free will. This def ties the subtle ('spiritual') to the manifest ('physical') in a clear cause and effect way. This, a simple constructive concept, contrasts with the obfuscation, virtue signaling and posing that seem to be encouraged by many varieties of spiritual pretensions. This def may also influence development of new physics where, well, we'll talk about that later. Please visit my stack for more unpopular opinions.
Our mechanistic and classical physics understanding of the world was successful in many ways but most of all in moving us further and further from the spiritual...
Dualism has been great for improving our analytical abilities, but if folk think that objects have hard boundary conditions, they will find objects to have hard boundaries. Objectivity is no simple thing to achieve.
hola, unbekoming. this is a great exchange and i am delighted to be introduced to geddes via you.
so much stood out in part because his experiences and conclusions have parallels with my own in pretty precise ways. for example, i also worked in telecom as a tech in various hats before closing as a telecom engineer. and like geddes, i consider those years as engineer as critically important because it is grounding in a way that mba-itis and accountancy is not! the ignorant often say that the real world is black and white when in fact it is absolutely not: it is only with accountants, woke-mbas, moralists, ideologues and the like that black white thinking holds sway as some kind of truth.
"The law exists in a spirit of self-will, and therefore is innately corrupt, as its many practitioners will invariably be drawn towards that selfish spirit — law degenerates into lawfare in the absence of the divine." is another parallel with my own history. this time with economics and the law of the invisible glove guiding the market to its optimal efficiency. after my economics degree showed me that it was a godless religion founded on poor logic and the delusion of self-interest, i made the same kind of argument in my anti-economics courses 'economics debunked' and 'banks skanks': god was the hand inside the invisible glove and by removing the hand of god the glove becomes rationalised greed as good.
as to thinking and logic. this has been long seen as a problem and that it has come to be the hallmark of 'science™' is clearly a sign of trouble. i was introduced to this fallacy of logical (reason's) supremacy in a great and prescient book: *voltaire's bastards: the dictatorship of reason in the west* by john ralston saul. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6584.Voltaire_s_Bastards
and long before that martin luther in typical fire and brimstone style sermonised (ranted):
“Reason is the Devil’s greatest whore; by nature and manner of being she is a noxious whore; she is a prostitute, the Devil’s appointed whore; whore eaten by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under foot and destroyed, she and her wisdom” (Martin Luther, Works, Erlangen Edition v. 16, pp. 142)
and 19th century philosopher and opium addict Thomas de Quincey wrote: ‘Here I pause for one moment to exhort the reader never to pay any attention to his understanding when it stands in opposition to any other faculty of his mind. The mere understanding, however useful and indispensable, is the meanest faculty in the human mind and the most to be distrusted: and yet the great majority of people trust to nothing else; which may do for ordinary life, but not for philosophic purposes.’ De Quincey, Thomas. "On The Knocking at the Gate in Macbeth" from Confessions of an English Opium Eater, Toronto: Oxford University Press, 1996, p. 81. (Originally published in 1823.)
one of the greater psyops has been convince us that reason is man's greatest god-given gift that, reasonably, that great gift gives us reason enough to displace god as the greatest achievement! lol! so too funny!
all the best with what has changed in 2024! and with everything that is to change in 2025! everything changes! with peace, respect, love and exuberant joy.
The interviewer wrote truly excellent questions and Martin's responses, as always, are honest, illuminating and humble. My prayer is that those who read this will be drawn to what he shares, and be able to "find the beauty in the ordinary" as we 'work together for good as we love God'.
Thank you for sharing this, Martin. I am incredibly blessed to have you in my inbox and carry your deep goodness in my heart.
Never heard of Geddes to my knowledge, but an astute cookie I must say. One line stood out, "How do people get away with appalling acts, yet those around don't grasp the horror"? In a similar vein, Omar Sharif once said, "How is it that one murder can be labeled so monstrous, while millions being slaughtered in war elicits nothing". In both, I am left speechless.
Good to hear from Geddes again. I loved his book, and then drifted away from his writing somehow. He and I (among many) share a cultural upbringing, and I wonder sometimes if that earlier experience of breaking free informs the ability to keep doing it in what look like differing circumstances (I.e., having "natural immunity" to peer pressure around politics, jabby-pokes, etc.).
Excellent! Thank you for this introduction to Geddes.
Thanks Unbecoming. I play (so far) a small part in the unlearning deception project. Pain is partially reconciled through acceptance and not taking rejection personally. I have promoted an idea for about fourty years now, relating to our root assumption about reality being 'split' between the spiritual and the physical. Maybe I am wrong given the lack of interest or engagement on the question, still I consider that the spiritual and the physical are fundamentally similar rather than being fundamentally different as both secular and religious folk take them to be. We are dysfunctional because we carry on with a false root assumption about reality. Recognition of this will help us on our way to the great awakening and our unlearning process.
The spiritual & physical worlds are real. The learning of conscious weaving is the task of humanity. You may appreciate the philosopher Rudolf Steiner & what he shares through Anthroposophy, toward this understanding & weaving.
Thanks for your comment Blythe Fair. No weaving needed if they are seen as basically the same thing. My best friend read every Steiner book written, some 140 books he said. I did not see that it helped in developing discrimination as he supported injections and idealistic notions (solutions) that did not properly identify the problem. Steiner was also associated with Malthusian personalities and Gnostic thinking, which to me reflects disrespect toward the physical aspect of reality. Thankfully we remained friends until the end when the injection finally killed him, without him thinking it was the injection, as far as I could tell. Our uncountable hours discussing philosophical issues is part of why I have skepticism toward all spiritual teachers. The dictionary def for Spirituality is to have more interest in human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things. I protest, so I 'asked' what is spirituality? The response given was; Spirituality is the responsible use or application of free will. This def ties the subtle ('spiritual') to the manifest ('physical') in a clear cause and effect way. This, a simple constructive concept, contrasts with the obfuscation, virtue signaling and posing that seem to be encouraged by many varieties of spiritual pretensions. This def may also influence development of new physics where, well, we'll talk about that later. Please visit my stack for more unpopular opinions.
Our mechanistic and classical physics understanding of the world was successful in many ways but most of all in moving us further and further from the spiritual...
Dualism has been great for improving our analytical abilities, but if folk think that objects have hard boundary conditions, they will find objects to have hard boundaries. Objectivity is no simple thing to achieve.
"Your greatest weapon is “I don’t know”, to be deployed at every possible opportunity."
Which of course is the only position that is in accord with quantum physics....
hola, unbekoming. this is a great exchange and i am delighted to be introduced to geddes via you.
so much stood out in part because his experiences and conclusions have parallels with my own in pretty precise ways. for example, i also worked in telecom as a tech in various hats before closing as a telecom engineer. and like geddes, i consider those years as engineer as critically important because it is grounding in a way that mba-itis and accountancy is not! the ignorant often say that the real world is black and white when in fact it is absolutely not: it is only with accountants, woke-mbas, moralists, ideologues and the like that black white thinking holds sway as some kind of truth.
"The law exists in a spirit of self-will, and therefore is innately corrupt, as its many practitioners will invariably be drawn towards that selfish spirit — law degenerates into lawfare in the absence of the divine." is another parallel with my own history. this time with economics and the law of the invisible glove guiding the market to its optimal efficiency. after my economics degree showed me that it was a godless religion founded on poor logic and the delusion of self-interest, i made the same kind of argument in my anti-economics courses 'economics debunked' and 'banks skanks': god was the hand inside the invisible glove and by removing the hand of god the glove becomes rationalised greed as good.
as to thinking and logic. this has been long seen as a problem and that it has come to be the hallmark of 'science™' is clearly a sign of trouble. i was introduced to this fallacy of logical (reason's) supremacy in a great and prescient book: *voltaire's bastards: the dictatorship of reason in the west* by john ralston saul. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6584.Voltaire_s_Bastards
and long before that martin luther in typical fire and brimstone style sermonised (ranted):
“Reason is the Devil’s greatest whore; by nature and manner of being she is a noxious whore; she is a prostitute, the Devil’s appointed whore; whore eaten by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under foot and destroyed, she and her wisdom” (Martin Luther, Works, Erlangen Edition v. 16, pp. 142)
and 19th century philosopher and opium addict Thomas de Quincey wrote: ‘Here I pause for one moment to exhort the reader never to pay any attention to his understanding when it stands in opposition to any other faculty of his mind. The mere understanding, however useful and indispensable, is the meanest faculty in the human mind and the most to be distrusted: and yet the great majority of people trust to nothing else; which may do for ordinary life, but not for philosophic purposes.’ De Quincey, Thomas. "On The Knocking at the Gate in Macbeth" from Confessions of an English Opium Eater, Toronto: Oxford University Press, 1996, p. 81. (Originally published in 1823.)
one of the greater psyops has been convince us that reason is man's greatest god-given gift that, reasonably, that great gift gives us reason enough to displace god as the greatest achievement! lol! so too funny!
all the best with what has changed in 2024! and with everything that is to change in 2025! everything changes! with peace, respect, love and exuberant joy.
🙏❤️🧘♂️🙌☯️🙌🧘♂️❤️🙏
The interviewer wrote truly excellent questions and Martin's responses, as always, are honest, illuminating and humble. My prayer is that those who read this will be drawn to what he shares, and be able to "find the beauty in the ordinary" as we 'work together for good as we love God'.
Thank you for sharing this, Martin. I am incredibly blessed to have you in my inbox and carry your deep goodness in my heart.
Never heard of Geddes to my knowledge, but an astute cookie I must say. One line stood out, "How do people get away with appalling acts, yet those around don't grasp the horror"? In a similar vein, Omar Sharif once said, "How is it that one murder can be labeled so monstrous, while millions being slaughtered in war elicits nothing". In both, I am left speechless.
Good to hear from Geddes again. I loved his book, and then drifted away from his writing somehow. He and I (among many) share a cultural upbringing, and I wonder sometimes if that earlier experience of breaking free informs the ability to keep doing it in what look like differing circumstances (I.e., having "natural immunity" to peer pressure around politics, jabby-pokes, etc.).