I have to disagree with Marzinsky's concept that the voices are REAL entities and not from the infected person's mind. He has this reversed--they are REAL voices from the mind that are disassociated and projected to an outside source. How this occurs, I will touch upon later, but first to critique Jerry's grand "proof" that hallucination…
I have to disagree with Marzinsky's concept that the voices are REAL entities and not from the infected person's mind. He has this reversed--they are REAL voices from the mind that are disassociated and projected to an outside source. How this occurs, I will touch upon later, but first to critique Jerry's grand "proof" that hallucinations are unreal and thus by definition cannot have patterns.
Without exception, every disease has specific symptoms where there is a basic pattern that also allows for individuation; one grouping of symptoms differentiates one disease from another (i.e., whooping cough and diabetes). The fact that Jerry lists over 20 symptoms that ALL schizophrenics individuals have shows it is not by chance that they ALL have the same medical disorder of paranoia, but it’s due to certain causes and thus are reality-based. Jerry mentions that all have had trauma and toxic lives.
They all are "injured" in their brains with the terrible disorder of disassociation. This means that they are severely out of touch with themselves and (thus also) their environment and cannot connect their thoughts to their minds, but feel it as an "alien" force. Jerry is correct that these voices are (usually) exclusive to this population as they are "weaker" due to trauma, but never-the-less, they are severely dysfunctional individuals who ALSO have other well-studied thought disorders besides the voices, supporting the idea of an overall disturbance of consciousness with hallucinations at times.
Jerry unfortunately tries to blame an external factor, which I believe hinders the real work. Basic psychology would answer the question Jerry broached--why are these hallucinations the domain of very traumatized individuals? Jerry again answered correctly, their psycho-physiological selves have been injured, with the same "pattern" of traumas.
Jerry is also correct that many "normals" have some of these symptoms that makes it a universal facet of life (and thus not a mysterious entity). Specifically speaking, the very common symptom of Negative Thoughts generally occurs under these conditions: physiological malaise (bowels, nerves), chronic humiliation and suppression of feelings. Why? Because we "realize" there is some stuck negative force in our body and we correctly and unconsciously "blame" ourselves since it is so visceral. The term "blame" is used loosely and in fact it is more "assign the cause". Also, what I mean by "unconscious", is that we do not understand the root reasons (see above) and end up furthering these feelings of misery. Imagine how terrified an individual who is suffering from a thought disorder feels!
Disassociation is a surreal feeling where reality is uncertain as our perceptions are not connected to our feelings, in other words, lack of contact. As with most pathologies, this runs on a continuum and we all suffer from some level of disassociation and thus are at risk of Negative Thoughts. Two examples, the denial of the dangers of the Covid injection, and forgetting painful events (PTSD)--we lose contact and thus part of reality. This is the schizophrenic's modus operandi, he has very little contact between the brain and the body and thus a large distortion of thought.
About treatment--there seems to be a lot of emphasis on repetitive activities such as rosary, chanting and exercise. I believe there are two reasons for their efficacy. One, there is a diversion of one's troubled state of mind with something neutral or pleasurable, and second, one makes more contact within--humming, yoga, and running all bring us in touch with our senses. One might argue the first reason given lessens contact as you "deny", but this is not really the case as it is a CONSCIOUS decision with full control.
I have to disagree with Marzinsky's concept that the voices are REAL entities and not from the infected person's mind. He has this reversed--they are REAL voices from the mind that are disassociated and projected to an outside source. How this occurs, I will touch upon later, but first to critique Jerry's grand "proof" that hallucinations are unreal and thus by definition cannot have patterns.
Without exception, every disease has specific symptoms where there is a basic pattern that also allows for individuation; one grouping of symptoms differentiates one disease from another (i.e., whooping cough and diabetes). The fact that Jerry lists over 20 symptoms that ALL schizophrenics individuals have shows it is not by chance that they ALL have the same medical disorder of paranoia, but it’s due to certain causes and thus are reality-based. Jerry mentions that all have had trauma and toxic lives.
They all are "injured" in their brains with the terrible disorder of disassociation. This means that they are severely out of touch with themselves and (thus also) their environment and cannot connect their thoughts to their minds, but feel it as an "alien" force. Jerry is correct that these voices are (usually) exclusive to this population as they are "weaker" due to trauma, but never-the-less, they are severely dysfunctional individuals who ALSO have other well-studied thought disorders besides the voices, supporting the idea of an overall disturbance of consciousness with hallucinations at times.
Jerry unfortunately tries to blame an external factor, which I believe hinders the real work. Basic psychology would answer the question Jerry broached--why are these hallucinations the domain of very traumatized individuals? Jerry again answered correctly, their psycho-physiological selves have been injured, with the same "pattern" of traumas.
Jerry is also correct that many "normals" have some of these symptoms that makes it a universal facet of life (and thus not a mysterious entity). Specifically speaking, the very common symptom of Negative Thoughts generally occurs under these conditions: physiological malaise (bowels, nerves), chronic humiliation and suppression of feelings. Why? Because we "realize" there is some stuck negative force in our body and we correctly and unconsciously "blame" ourselves since it is so visceral. The term "blame" is used loosely and in fact it is more "assign the cause". Also, what I mean by "unconscious", is that we do not understand the root reasons (see above) and end up furthering these feelings of misery. Imagine how terrified an individual who is suffering from a thought disorder feels!
Disassociation is a surreal feeling where reality is uncertain as our perceptions are not connected to our feelings, in other words, lack of contact. As with most pathologies, this runs on a continuum and we all suffer from some level of disassociation and thus are at risk of Negative Thoughts. Two examples, the denial of the dangers of the Covid injection, and forgetting painful events (PTSD)--we lose contact and thus part of reality. This is the schizophrenic's modus operandi, he has very little contact between the brain and the body and thus a large distortion of thought.
About treatment--there seems to be a lot of emphasis on repetitive activities such as rosary, chanting and exercise. I believe there are two reasons for their efficacy. One, there is a diversion of one's troubled state of mind with something neutral or pleasurable, and second, one makes more contact within--humming, yoga, and running all bring us in touch with our senses. One might argue the first reason given lessens contact as you "deny", but this is not really the case as it is a CONSCIOUS decision with full control.