Hi Unbekoming, when I heard Bob Moran interviewed by Geopolitics & Empire, I was quite taken by this bit:
“The starting point for me is simply understanding that what was being done is completely wrong – morally, democratically, scientifically, logically. It was incredibly dangerous and it needed to stop. To hold that position, you don’t need to entertain any kind of conspiracy theories, you don’t need to believe there’s any kind of agenda. There are some people who immediately will argue (and this happened at the beginning a lot) ‘but why would they be doing this (if it didn’t make any sense)?' As if the lack of motive meant that the crime didn’t exist. [My response would be] ‘I can’t tell you why they are doing it, but it is what they are doing. So let’s stop it, and then worry about why.'”
Agree, the obsession with WHY really frustrated me. If someone is committing a crime, it doesn't matter Why they are doing it. People seem to need an answer to the Why to help them navigate their PRINCIPLES, without it they seem to have lost their own internal ability to generate or source Principle. Is the societal Religion hole also a Principles hole?
The internal ability to generate or source Principle would be the Natural Law, in Catholic theology.
And yes, people of good will are supposed to consult the Natural Law, written on their hearts, to be able to know that, for instance, masking children is wrong.
But. People of good will who are too busy living life itself are relying on mainstream media to let them know if a wolf is at the door, and the media keeps telling them the wolf at the door is a virus you can keep at bay with masks and vaccines, and the virus is most definitely unplanned.
The American Academy of Pediatrics tells parents children will develop normally with masking. Hospitals, schools, churches all tell them to mask children. So very evil. My own Archdiocese has promoted masks and vaccination; Dr. Paul Cieslak is a prominent Catholic who is the Medical Director of the Communicable Diseases and Immunizations at Public Health Division of the Oregon Health Authority. He advised the Archdiocese in its policies to align with Governor Brown's emergency pandemic orders, and mRNA vaccine rollouts all the way to shoot up the youngest children. I don't know how he sleeps at night.
Reasoning circularly, decent people can't imagine they participate in evil because they are decent people who don't participate in evil. And then it's easy for decent people to believe the absence of (media-reported) evidence of evil planning is evidence of the absence of evil planning. Perfect.
That's because they have forgotten how to become this
In 603, Pope Gregory I commissioned the Ravennate Abbot Probus, who was previously Gregory's emissary at the Lombard court, to build a hospital in Jerusalem to treat and care for Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land. In 800, Emperor Charlemagne enlarged Probus' hospital and added a library to it.
The Hospitallers arose in the early 12th century at the height of the Cluniac movement, a reformist movement within the Benedictine monastic order that sought to strengthen religious devotion and charity for the poor. Earlier in the 11th century, merchants from Amalfi founded a hospital in Jerusalem dedicated to John the Baptist where Benedictine monks cared for sick, poor, or injured Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land. Blessed Gerard, a lay brother of the Benedictine order, became its head when it was established. After the Christian conquest of Jerusalem in 1099 during the First Crusade, the Hospitallers rose in prominence and were recognized as a distinct order by Pope Paschal II in 1113.
The Order of Saint John was militarized in the 1120s and 1130s, hiring knights that later became Hospitallers. The organization became a military religious order under its own papal charter, charged with the care and defence of the Holy Land, and fought in the Crusades until the Siege of Acre in 1291. Following the reconquest of the Holy Land by Islamic forces, the knights operated from Rhodes, over which they were sovereign, and later from Malta, where they administered a vassal state under the Spanish viceroy of Sicily. The Hospitallers were one of the smallest groups to have colonized parts of the Americas, briefly acquiring four Caribbean islands in the mid-17th century, which they turned over to France in the 1660s. The American Indian uderstood>
There is a societal principles hole, and it has always been there. It is the defining characteristic of domination cultures, or civilisations if you like. How can a society be built on hoarding, greed, theft and the destruction of nature and somehow also have principles? Religion has absolutely nothing to do with it either way; in the old days religion was used to justify mans 'dominion' over nature, now it's amoral science. the only difference is that science is much better at doing it.
I will add to be perfectly clear, I'm thankful for smart people who are worrying about "why", in order to help stop it, but it's enough for me to focus on "stop it" by not complying with illegal and immoral orders. Do not assist Them, whoever They are, in their wrongdoing.
I can only say your work deserves much more attention that it appears to receive. I'm grateful. Keep going x
Thank you :)
Hi Unbekoming, when I heard Bob Moran interviewed by Geopolitics & Empire, I was quite taken by this bit:
“The starting point for me is simply understanding that what was being done is completely wrong – morally, democratically, scientifically, logically. It was incredibly dangerous and it needed to stop. To hold that position, you don’t need to entertain any kind of conspiracy theories, you don’t need to believe there’s any kind of agenda. There are some people who immediately will argue (and this happened at the beginning a lot) ‘but why would they be doing this (if it didn’t make any sense)?' As if the lack of motive meant that the crime didn’t exist. [My response would be] ‘I can’t tell you why they are doing it, but it is what they are doing. So let’s stop it, and then worry about why.'”
Agree, the obsession with WHY really frustrated me. If someone is committing a crime, it doesn't matter Why they are doing it. People seem to need an answer to the Why to help them navigate their PRINCIPLES, without it they seem to have lost their own internal ability to generate or source Principle. Is the societal Religion hole also a Principles hole?
The internal ability to generate or source Principle would be the Natural Law, in Catholic theology.
And yes, people of good will are supposed to consult the Natural Law, written on their hearts, to be able to know that, for instance, masking children is wrong.
But. People of good will who are too busy living life itself are relying on mainstream media to let them know if a wolf is at the door, and the media keeps telling them the wolf at the door is a virus you can keep at bay with masks and vaccines, and the virus is most definitely unplanned.
The American Academy of Pediatrics tells parents children will develop normally with masking. Hospitals, schools, churches all tell them to mask children. So very evil. My own Archdiocese has promoted masks and vaccination; Dr. Paul Cieslak is a prominent Catholic who is the Medical Director of the Communicable Diseases and Immunizations at Public Health Division of the Oregon Health Authority. He advised the Archdiocese in its policies to align with Governor Brown's emergency pandemic orders, and mRNA vaccine rollouts all the way to shoot up the youngest children. I don't know how he sleeps at night.
Reasoning circularly, decent people can't imagine they participate in evil because they are decent people who don't participate in evil. And then it's easy for decent people to believe the absence of (media-reported) evidence of evil planning is evidence of the absence of evil planning. Perfect.
Thanks Tamsin, for teaching me something about Catholic theology and Natural Law. I'm going to spend some time understanding that more.
That's because they have forgotten how to become this
In 603, Pope Gregory I commissioned the Ravennate Abbot Probus, who was previously Gregory's emissary at the Lombard court, to build a hospital in Jerusalem to treat and care for Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land. In 800, Emperor Charlemagne enlarged Probus' hospital and added a library to it.
The Hospitallers arose in the early 12th century at the height of the Cluniac movement, a reformist movement within the Benedictine monastic order that sought to strengthen religious devotion and charity for the poor. Earlier in the 11th century, merchants from Amalfi founded a hospital in Jerusalem dedicated to John the Baptist where Benedictine monks cared for sick, poor, or injured Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land. Blessed Gerard, a lay brother of the Benedictine order, became its head when it was established. After the Christian conquest of Jerusalem in 1099 during the First Crusade, the Hospitallers rose in prominence and were recognized as a distinct order by Pope Paschal II in 1113.
The Order of Saint John was militarized in the 1120s and 1130s, hiring knights that later became Hospitallers. The organization became a military religious order under its own papal charter, charged with the care and defence of the Holy Land, and fought in the Crusades until the Siege of Acre in 1291. Following the reconquest of the Holy Land by Islamic forces, the knights operated from Rhodes, over which they were sovereign, and later from Malta, where they administered a vassal state under the Spanish viceroy of Sicily. The Hospitallers were one of the smallest groups to have colonized parts of the Americas, briefly acquiring four Caribbean islands in the mid-17th century, which they turned over to France in the 1660s. The American Indian uderstood>
Shoshone refrain:
"Over here, over there, everywhere,
Today, tomorrow, always:
Bad men there are.
Hate you, they do.
Kill you they will.
Watch out you better!"
There is a societal principles hole, and it has always been there. It is the defining characteristic of domination cultures, or civilisations if you like. How can a society be built on hoarding, greed, theft and the destruction of nature and somehow also have principles? Religion has absolutely nothing to do with it either way; in the old days religion was used to justify mans 'dominion' over nature, now it's amoral science. the only difference is that science is much better at doing it.
I will add to be perfectly clear, I'm thankful for smart people who are worrying about "why", in order to help stop it, but it's enough for me to focus on "stop it" by not complying with illegal and immoral orders. Do not assist Them, whoever They are, in their wrongdoing.
Thank you for this. I had not heard Bob Moran speak before, only admired his drawings.
So much here resonates with me.
Unfortunately for me the link does not go to a "51 minute" video, only to his web site (which is well worth the trip).
The video is embedded on that page of his site.
I can’t find the video...😩
https://rumble.com/v1wanjw-brilliantly-difficult-documentary-about-covid-19-resistance-cartoonist-bob-.html
Here’s the link. https://rumble.com/v1wanjw-brilliantly-difficult-documentary-about-covid-19-resistance-cartoonist-bob-.html
Thank you, I've now fixed the link in the article.
His art is so beautiful in the way it expresses the point it is making.
And the next rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Empowered by 'the science' and heralded by the bought media,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born and loosed upon the unwitting and unwary?
W.B.Yeats (Roughly)