Equally, disproving virology wouldn't end vaccination. Some vaccines are supposed to prevent viruses, but there are vaccines against toxins, protists, bacteria, allergies, cancer.
Gardasil once fake proteded 3, now 7. all sexually incuced. So we jab boys too now. Nearly killed my 16 yr old Step Granddaughter, left her with RA/FIBROMYALGIA, A LIFE OF deabiliting PAIN. Her parents are Libs. But no longer do jabs. She's grown, has baby #1, and has gone totally natural. Baby gets no jabs.
So glad to know that at least, even through personal experience, people are seeing that jabs are dangerous. Kudos to parents who don't jab their children.
Allergy vaccines have been around since at least the 1930s. I had a course myself as a child; they didn't work for me at all, although they were probably using the wrong allergen. They're supposed to work by inducing IgG4 (tolerance) antibodies to the allergen. They're less widely used nowadays, because of the risk of anaphylaxis.
What will end vaccination is for us to let everyone know not to get them, and to look into them and that they really need to do their due diligence on this one. It's up to the indivdiual what they put into their body. They can put anything they like into it. But to force someone else is an act against nature and it's amazing everyone seems fine with that. How can any adult tell another adult what to do with their body? How can any adult go along with that? Sticking the fangs into children though, without even looking at what the ingredients are is culpable, even more culpable than the law makers. Actually the law makers are not culpable at all. They are only handing out orders. It's obeying them that is culpable, but besides that, we all need to sound the alarm loud and clear yet nobody even mentions the horror to those we know who still take the darned things.
I'm afraid it will take a very long time, for people to realize the mistake, and the harm of vaccination. We have it drilled into our brains that it is a modern miracle and has saved millions of lives. NOT. People refuse to connect allergies, autoimmune conditions, autism, cancer, and other diseases to the injections. They have legal protection from lawsuits, and cannot be put as cause on death certificates. They keep pushing them, and coming up with more, for profit. Evil crime against humanity. It is easier to fool someone, than to convince them they have been Fooled.~ Mark Twain. So so sad, as millions more suffer and die from this hideous medical error.
I see this isn’t a reference you need for yourself, but it is a good presentation, in support of everything you say, and more. All 6+ hrs are worth watching.
Modern medicine is turning a lot of disease treatments into vaccines and mRNA. Of coarse, many of the people who do not believe in viruses also say they don't believe in genetics and CRISPR. It must be convenient to just dismiss anything that gets in their way of their belief system.
Downs Sydrome is fake. Congenital defects, all fake. The amount of things NAV need to call fake in order to prop up their belief grows every day since there are many things which back up the existence of viruses, genetics, the immune system...
An abusive person who stalks and attacks anyone who believes in viruses, saying they must work for pharma, immune systems are fake and proof isn't proof, Rockerfellers exist which means everything they touch is fake. Logical fallacies and gaslighting abound. Did you experience contagion and an incubation? You're either lying, stupid or you work for pharma.
It's an anachronism for Not A Virus. Whatever it is, it is not a virus.
"You're either lying, stupid or you work for pharma."
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I merely asked what a NAV is - I'm 68 and not familiar with all these new anacronyms on social media. And by the way, I haven't been vaxxed or gone near a doctor for well over 40 years and as far as I'm aware I'm perfectly healthy. I am neither lying (but you can choose to believe I am if you wish), I'm not stupid (or senile yet, and I have a PhD in the Philosophy of Technology) and I was an engineer and inventor, and latterly builder of geodesic greenhouses. Now retired.
Sorry I was trying to be playful and sarcastic. A lot of people don't know the anachronism. I should not use it anymore.
What I meant is this is how NAV treat people (not how I treat people). If you claim to have experienced contagion, expect direct insults or coercion to NAV way of thinking… then if you don't convert, insults ensue.
Tim Truth, Yeadon's right hand man, told me there is no proof the immune system exists. He wasn't the first or even the 10th NAV to say this. Basically they believe in scientific method but they don't believe in science. They question every medical article, its all fake, even biopsies showing vaccine spike protein in the brain, which killed someone can be identified as not Sarscov-2 infection spike protein. Even articles where science implicates itself, injecting simian virus into people through vaccines, injecting polio causing "vaccine polio outbreaks." There is no debating people who say it is all fake. People who imply because rockefellers are corrupt it means viruses do not exist, were not isolated FIRST from plants. The first tests of viruses were not even on humans but how do they explain this? They don't. They just call it all fake. The first "vaccines" were just infecting people with similar viruses (cow pox) in order to stave off more serious infections (small pox). They didn't involve heavy metals and toxins. It's their choice what they believe but their logic, to me, is illogical.
Exactly. Much of what they dislike about virology actually proves it exists even more. For example, virus isolation is more complex. They used to strain bacteria out. Then they introduced antibiotics to kill the bacteria. This is double proof it is a virus which remains. The microscope showed a virus was present and after antibiotic solution it remained. (they say this proves it isn't a virus) They call it "dust." So, tell me... how does dust replicate inside cells?
Regarding monkey kidney cells (the cells they use to replicate viruses), they lack IL-6 which is the immune cell that fights viruses off. This reveals much of why some people get infected and others do not, is they lack good immune response. It doubly proves it is a virus if it can get through without IL-6 present.
They demand Kochs postulate be fulfilled yet it is irrational because not all people will be susceptible to a virus and some will already have immunity.
What about studies showing gut bacteria fight off viruses? They call it fake because the only way to back up their belief is to say all medical studies are fake. They demand you show proof but they don't want proof they just want you to scurry around looking for medical articles wasting your time and energy, distracting you
“The first tests of viruses were not even on humans.” Um what are you even saying? My understanding is that the first “virus” claimed to be found was “tobacco mosaic virus” and the methodology used to make that ridiculous assertion was ridiculously unscientific. It was basically claimed that, because no bacterial agent could be found, there must be something smaller, so they called the imagined tiny particle “virus.” You have a lot of research ahead of you, and I encourage you to get busy. If you don’t like reading scientific papers, you can start here:
Everything you just said backs up the existence of viruses. You are oversimplifying the tobacco mosaic virus research. You are skipping all the steps they used to prove it was something which did not behave like a bacteria, fungus, toxin. They took many steps to back up the existence.
Your abusive superiority complex is showing. I have so much to learn and you are just the teacher I need to look to.
Your logical fallacies are crumbling. You take one thing, leave out pertinent facts then make sweeping statements.
We need to understand that we are dealing with phenomenal magicians that know how to manipulate the psyche. Probably true that we don't even have "an immune system" let alone viruses. It's also probably true that we didn't go to the moon and the earth isn't a round ball spinning through space. The lies we've been told - in every field - are staggering in their depth, heft and audacity. They are breathtaking. Imagine all these years, these scientists, believing in something they never even checked on and basing their life on it. And the "unrained" patients, handing over their bodies as if to the gods. It's mind blowing. But if viruses could be proven, then why wasn't it done decades ago? Why haven't they put this subject to bed by simply providing the proof? Is that really too much to ask (of after all - a "scientific" fraternity)? Are they taunting us or playing coy? What the heck is on with them? It is not up to those who question vaccines or medical scinece to answer the question "then what are these people suffering from if viruses don;'t exist". If that cannot be answered by the claimant's of it, then why should anyone believe they DO exist?
It is not the responsibility for backers of terrain theory to explain what those diseases are. It is the responsibility of the claimant. All the debaters want is proof of their claim, which they should been keen to provide.
My son's thymus organ was stolen during heart surgery leaving him severely immunodeficient. He is the canary in the coal mine. It's all fake though, according to you. Carry on.
“…people who don’t believe in viruses…” don’t have that view due to any “belief system.” It is simply that science has failed to demonstrate “viruses” are real. The “believers” are actually those who faithfully believe that other people must have done the work. Anyone is capable of finding out whether their beliefs are based on valid science. Just read and think, that’s all that’s required!
You believe the proof science has aquired with extensive studies is all fake. You excuse your beliefs by equivocation, saying because they are corrupt, what doesn't back up your beliefs, including peoples personal experiences, are all fake. Your belief is that what my son, myself and my family have gone through is not real and if we do not agree with you we are any number of derogatory things.
Yes those conditions exist but the reasons for why they exist has not been told to us. Let's get to what the answers REALLY ARE about the bases of the whole enchilada, and then we can drop germ theory and go in the right direction. If germ theory holds up, then we go that way. Why aren't scientists jumping to prove viruses exist? They could win this one in no time. Why the reluctance from the medical industry to engage in proof of viruses?
They have documented them under darkfield microscopy, in blood of sick people, injected them into animals, implicated themselves in many ways infecting people with polio vaccine virus and simian virus. If you do not want to believe that's fine but saying proof doesn't exist, does not make it all go POOF just for you. Take on the burden of proof instead of asking people who already proved they exist to keep doing the studies over so you can call them fake.
Take on the burden of proof.
Get your Sam Bailey who makes money selling her theories to study large groups of people who have been tested positive for viruses and see what exactly is going on in their blood.
I’m not aware of these vaccines you speak of. Please provide a reference to a vaccine against toxins. Thanks. You might be right that people will still choose to inject themselves, their children, and their patients, but I do think that no rational person would do that when they realize that it all is built upon corrupt science…If we can call it science.
For some reason the pernicious ones who decide all this love the idea of vaccines. Why? Well to make tons of money for one thing but secondly, they love fangs. serpents. And they love babies' blood.
Yes, but the fact is “viruses” don’t exist, so there’s no reason to say, “even if viruses exist.” Vaccines are toxic & dangerous AND “virus” is a mythical entity. I agree with your point though.
It is interesting that the 1986 law that indemnified pharma companies from any harms caused by "vaccines" contained the statement (paraphrasing), "vaccines are inherently unsafe." Written into a law that holds pharma companies harmless. Only a feckless, bought-and-paid-for Congress could do that.
Well, I'm one of those people. Viruses? prove it. Virology? Let independents into your lab to watch and see what's being done. Genetics? What, where when how does that prove anything? It doesn't. Psychiatry? 200-300 mental disorders made up by a pervert with no verifiable proof other than he said so. Dermatology? Don't make me laugh. Cosmetic surgeons? Morphed into men cutting young mens penises off. Contagion? Never been proven, ever.
For those who believe in all this Harvard grad chicanery of bullshit, please, have at it. Keep taking these vaccines that are all meant to maim and kill you. Make a list of diseases produced in the 20th century that didn't exist the century before. Were things better or worse after we cured natural childhood disease through vaccines? I know the answer to that last question. The onus falls on you to prove I am wrong. I'm happy to have that debate.
Once it's been shown that viruses don't exist, the entire medical fraternity will dissolve. I feel that industry attracts sadists. Not that all of them are, many are there to do good work for humanity, but it attracts sadists too. Including the psychiatric "industry".
Virology births cover narratives for industrial poisoning.
Sounds to me like Sam Bailey is asking people to deny the existence of something many people suffer and die from in order to sooth her, and your, fears. This is exactly what we are fleeing, "othering" people who have different beliefs and experiences from us. Gaslighting them and demanding they change their beliefs for us and accommodate our beliefs. These NAV people don't just ask for people to have open minds they ask for them to deny the existence of what they are experiencing.
Contagion is real for many of us who have immune defects, congenital or aquired. Incubation periods are real. Anyone who lives outside of mainstream, away from people who only gets sick when around sick people- (ie) is around EMF and doesn't get sick, catching what others have is real. So is virus isolation through old school means of straining. So is contamination of vaccines with viruses. Call it fake if you want just don't tell me what to believe or "other" me.
I've noticed I also self-censor and change my wording to be more "inclusive" incase a NAV comes along, hoping they will allow me to have a conversation that doesn't turn into them insulting me, demeaning me, accusing me of working for pharma and demanding I change my beliefs and stop discussing what I'm talking about because to them it is all fake.
If anyone is not just telling others what to believe but forcing them to take a medical procedure even if they don't want it, is the medical fraternity or the "scientific" fraternity.
You are "attacking the person and not the issue" by intimating that what we are saying is tha the people who suffer are faking it. Oh we know people suffer, often we suffer too, but that still doesn't prove that viruses exist.
And just because you say they do doesn't make it so either.
Why do you not ask your beloved fraternity to provide unequivocal proof and be done with this argument?
You have no proof what I have suffered from most of my life is not EBV. I have proof every time I go to test and they show my titers, my body going through hell, biopsy of liver showing virus attacking it.
You say I am attacking the person, not the issue. You are attacking me, my experiences, not the issue. So is Sam Bailey. I am saying that when anyone claims to have caught a virus you attack them, like what you just did with me, act like I am part of a fraternity of corrupt science and they are my beloved.
What I and others suffer from is a contagious virus with an incubation which titers can test for immunity to and any insinuation that we dont understand what contagion is, what we experienced, is gaslighting. Acting like I need to provide any proof to you is irrational. I don't owe you anything especially when everything I would show you would be torn apart by you and called fake.
What science is doing to people, forcing them, is the same as what NAV do. You want to control and insult anyone who doesnt agree with you when you cannot control them.
I'm not forcing you to believe I just want to be left the fuck alone when I do discuss something not get some attack on my experience, my values, my intelligence. Fuck off
Ironic isn't it Heidi, you wish to be left alone to speak as you wish in favor of vaccines and we wish to exercise freedom to choose what goes in our bodies. No one is forcing you to shut your mouth. But the people and cause you support forced through coercion to take a medical product against their will. People lost their jobs for refusing the jab. People were beaten and arrested for not wearing masks for God sake. Dr.'s lost their licenses to practice for refusing to go along with obviously nonsensical, unhealthy, dangerous deadly recommendations including a completely untested "vaccine" that's still killing people today as we speak. So Heidi you a free to do what you wish to do with your body including your mouth. You can keep it shut or not. But when ever I encounter people like you, I confront the medical tyranny.
That it is still a belief is kind of proof that viruses don't exist. Proof extinguishes belief but when no proof is forthcoming, it instills doubt. And there are whole populations who base their lives on such a belief. Until "science" can prove and to the stupidest person to boot, that viruses exist, then they remain merely a belief, and that's equivalent to a religion or a cult.
You have made so many contradictory statements here and are arguing semantics. It's called crazy making.
First a belief existing doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
For me, my belief shows respect that other things can also make people sick and we have a lot more to learn about viruses.
Second, proof exists but when you call it all fake you are instilling doubt which is a tactic used to derail topics and confuse people.
Insinuating that you need to "convince" even the "stupidest person" is a low blow.
You "believe viruses do not exist." That is a cult also when it tries to convert people with abusive language, insults and denying people's experiences. You've reached my FUCK OFF point.
Yeah well people who close their minds to new ideas constantly reach my "fuck off point" so understand that it's no picnic trying to bring sense to a converaation. You have made unsubstantiated claims - that I make contradictory statments but offered no evidence for that. Maybe you think that simply making the claim is enough for people to accept it as truth?
To go to the truth we need to be specific not "wishy washy". Please explain where I was contradictory or shut up. If they hold water, they could help me improve and isn't that what we're really here for?
The highest respect we could give to everyone is to follow the truth. If we instill doubt, so be it! People need to use their grey matter, it's doing them a favor.
Yes, when we make statements, if we are not prepared to make them convincing, then you will be expressing yourself as being full of hot air and then nobody will listen to you. And that's a good thing because we hear too much from hot air expellers.
And the explanation needs to be made so that even a grandmother can understand it. I believe viruses do not exist, correct. However I would like to know why "science" stil lhasn't ascertained that fundamental fact.
But the weirdest thing is why people defend their not needing to.
I'm telling YOU to fuck off, not your ideas. I've heard your insults and insinuations that my belief in something makes it fake and I'm stupider than even the stupidest person. You might be here to insult and annoy people, argue semantics and crazymake, tell everone proof is not proof. I am not. Fuck the fuck off
Virology did not birth the Plague that destroyed the Roman Empire, or the Athenian plague. Virology did not cause the Black Death, that destroyed two thirds of Europe.
What caused these plagues and Black Death, was the same thing that causes ALL pandemics and plagues; GERM THEORY.
Consider the work of Dr. Jonathan Snow, who, during the great Cholera pandemic, noticed that people were getting sick from drinking water from some wells and not others. He promptly got authorities to shut down these wells, and provide clean drinking water, that eventually eradicated the disease. In other words clean drinking water cured a pandemic.
Why is the work of Dr. Snow, almost universally forgotten in the public mind, and totally ignored by BigPharma?
The reason is, that Dr. Snow focused on the TERRAIN, not a germ?
The Black Death is believed to have been the result of plague, an infectious fever caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis. The disease was likely transmitted from rodents to humans by the bite of infected fleas. https://www.britannica.com/event/Black-Death
Cholera is an acute, diarrheal illness caused by infection of the intestine with the bacterium Vibrio cholerae.
Germ Theory in medicine, the theory that certain diseases are caused by the invasion of the body by microorganisms, organisms too small to be seen except through a microscope.
Your right, bacterium caused Black Death, Athenian plague and Anotinine Plague (smallpox). Not viruses. My main point was that Dr. Snow cured Cholera epidemic with clean drinking water, not a pill. Why have we moved so far away from hygiene as a “cure” instead of a pill for every disease?
Read What Really Makes You Ill?, Also, The Invisible Rainbow. Germs are invisible, but what really makes you ill, is also invisible, EMF, poison vapors in the air, poisons in the water. During the plague, there were comets, and they give off noxious gases, which sickened the people. Sounds crazy, but a tiny bug jumping in your nose is beginning to sound crazy to me.
Brilliant! Thank you. There may be something to germ theory but a minor role. We need to get to the bottom of this toute suite because then we can go in the right direction and people can be healed.
Both can exist together. Germs in dirty water and toxins in dirty water. Sometimes toxins compromise the immune system and lead to people being susceptible to pathogens. Just because toxins exist doesn't automatically mean viruses do not. This does not equal that. It can all exist.
Virologists operate on the level of ancient superstitions. Snatching at imaginary dybbuk's that can only be seen through the lens of super techno-marvel machines that are pre-programmed to point towards motes and mites as evidence of the haunting.
Perpetuating this primitive superstition that submicroscopic invisible particles floating through the air make people sick requires loads of jargon, increasingly obscure language to mystify the quackery. Not to mention a non-stop multi-billion dollar propaganda campaigns and legions of hired priests in white robes who claim the mantle of "science" to hoodwink the unsuspecting public. Pretty amazing to think people believe this voodoo garbage. Excellent means of social control.
And then they create magical elixirs (that in a sane world would be understood for what they are- industrial poisons) that allegedly exorcise these submicroscopic demons from the mortal body. Makes for a good show and big business, but has nothing to do with biological reality.
It's rather fitting that the pinnacle of the dangerous religious cults of virology and vaccinology is the malignant belief that injecting synthetic chemicals made by habitually criminal companies that profit from perpetual disease somehow produces health.
Germ theory and gene theory are both reductionist, primitive superstitions that only remain viable due to massive propaganda and massive funding from the ruling interests that birthed and benefit from them at the expense of humanity.
Jamie's work replicating the isolation of viruses is the sort of science that provides evidence we can all understand and support regardless of our personal beliefs. Others seem to just take a lot of $ and self promote without doing any real science themselves.
Lies are definitely unbecoming and its a shame (and a wee shock) to find some of the proponents of no virus are not entirely honest. I now wonder at their motives and am certainly not alone in this regard.
Heidi's and Geoffrey's comments here both contain elements I agree and disagree with, but because the "Science" is not settled my position is to wait and see the results of experiments and good, honest uncensored debates. High expectations, yes I acknowledge that.
The current methodology of isolation is laughable but I also still see transmission of something, perhaps STD's, herpes etc, name it what you want. There is so much we don't know and so much medical knowledge we have been lied to about that it will take years (if ever) for consensus and we don't have that time luxury today.
Terrain does make a lot of logical sense A Dr that states that there is nothing in the body that can harm you is not one that I would want though. How about cancer for starters?
The amount of nurses and ladies that had severe bleeding issues after looking after the freshly jabbed oldies in homes strongly suggests either shedding or transmission of some sort. Even in the small circle I knew at the time it was undeniable.
What is obvious to me is that there is not enough time to convince the world that viruses don't exist in order to stop the continuing poisoning that is occurring, even if it was 100% correct. I still donated to the experiments of Jamie's though and remain happy to debate the points with anyone, without attacking the messengers.
I agree with most of what you said, but is it necessary to delve relentlessly into proving this or that exists when your own eyes tell you what you just saw or experienced? See, that's where I get crazy. Must I prove the sun will burn me if I stay under it for too long, or the reason rain is wet? These are questions my granddaughter has asked when she was 5.
Bechamp was correct. Pasteur was dead wrong. The Rockefeller's went with the germ theory. Why? Can we not see the results from that choice? Can we not see the corruption, mass deaths and profits derived from that decision? Yet we are to believe that these twisted sciences are humanitarian. Really!! Cure something, anything, then maybe I'll believe. Cancer cures? Out the wazoo. All destroyed. Why?
I am lucky as I do get to see cancers go away, recently even one of those common new overnight big lump on the neck ones on a young fella in his 20's- gone in 2 weeks. Another recent one was a glioblastoma - gone in 8 weeks. Yes I only believe what I see optically as well with the scope, and the experiments I do myself.
The cancer I really want to see gone is the rocketfellas and their ilk though.
Very prescient poignant reasoning. Have been in the trenches with doctorate degree for over 3 decades. The elusive virus does not exist, certainly does not cause infectious disease.
Big P, and their henchmen the medical cartel have always lied.
Admitting the lie is highly problematic, however these times are unprecedented. Pressure from those who experienced. deliberate genocide assists greatly.
My heart is overjoyed reading this. Yes of course - prove that viruses exist! So basic yet still hasn't been done. See the depths of the hallucination? Even "scientists" are not asking for this verification. Maybe in their hearts they know viruses don't exist as we've been told but it's too lucrative for them to quit the charade. This is brilliant! I can't imagine the five labs coming up with the diagnosis consistently. And if they do, then they could put this terrain theory to bed. They should be jumping at the chance to prove to us that viruses are real. They should have that kind of basic information readily available. It would be interesting to see how these tests will be monitored and by whom. I go even further and say all laboratory work is meaningless. The reason I say this is because nobody lives in a sterile environment.
Tell me why people get sick with colds and flu , ( besides body detoxing ) and I’ll believe that viruses don’t exist . I haven’t been convinced that there is no contagion. What is it then ? Why did I get sick when my baby niece , who had a cold , sneezed into my mouth ? I’m so confused on this subject virus versus no virus . And the Baileys only confuse me more .
Yes because we're told that, we tend to look for evidence to hold it true. But something else might be afoot. Something we haven't looked at. If viruses are real then why are people getting sicker? The answer may be that what we're doing only makes things worse but we know without even doing a test that people are sicker than ever before overall. Why if we know what the culprit is? And why do only a percentage improve from medication, strangely the same percentage as placebo. Could the percentage that improves be also due to their belief that the pill will help them or in other words, more placebo effects?
People are sicker overall than ever before because of their extremely poor diets, including all the sugar, processed foods, GMO’s and Pharma medications they consume. They are also sicker because they are not getting enough sunshine and exercise. I don’t believe science is nearly as advanced as they portray when it comes to understanding the complexity of the human body and what is good for us and what is bad for us. Or, if they are, it is not being publicized because it would be bad news for Big Pharma, Big Food and Big Ag. They demonized animal fat as the cause of heart disease for decades when sugar is a much more likely culprit for it, as well as metabolic syndrome leading to pre-diabetes and full blown diabetes.
I’m not married to the fact that viruses exist; however, until someone can provide a reasonable explanation as to why a large part of the Native American population was wiped out from small pox, measles, chickenpox, etc after the arrival of Europeans and why, those same “childhood” diseases appeared to pass from one child to another until they were mostly eradicated (and no, I don’t think vaccines were necessarily responsible for this eradication). When my husband came home, pre-Covid, will an illness that had unusual symptoms such as altered taste and no sense of smell, and within a few days, I too became sick with those same symptoms what is the explanation? He had been out of town with another person who became ill 24-48 hours before he did, so it’s not as if we were all exposed to some toxin because we were not in the same place. I also don’t find it convincing that we were both detoxing with the same unusual symptoms, nor that we all had the same allergic reaction to something (both of which I’ve seen offered as alternatives du jour to virus theories). I’ve seen the virus deniers scoff at the lost sense of smell as a symptom of Covid saying that always happens with a cold; however once I had recovered it took over a year for my sense of smell to return which has never happened before. Once someone is able to offer a coherent explanation that addresses these types of scenarios I’m happy to agree that viruses do not exist. Until then there does not seem to be a more credible theory that I’ve heard. All of which is NOT to say that vaccines are the answer. Anyone with any common sense at this point should all agree on that, so why alienate people to that cause by insisting on something that is contrary to many people’s firsthand experiences?
beware the pandemic treaty is coming back much sooner than we think for the details check out the james roguski substack..also go to citizengo.org and scroll through till you find a petition stop the who,s accelerated push to finalise the pandemic treaty...its a worldwide petition it canbe signed and reshared widely worldwide fromany country in the world including yours...that said when rsharing it dontwaste your time using you tube/twitter/gestapo book who you can be sure will censor and suppress it..it currently has over 246000 signatures
Petitions are a waste of time. I wonder why so many haven't learned that yet. Just like viruses vs terrain, representative government is the poison terrain that allows virus-like people to take hold. What do we need to do? Put our minds to finding new methods of consensus. Some have already been developed. But that is what is needed. We need to totally ignore ANYTHING that comes from pathogen.
I don't understand the focus on "isolation." All kinds of things in history were postulated before they could be isolated, and turned out to be real.
There is plenty of experimental evidence of the existence of viruses and their effects. There would have to be explained by some other mechanisms that I have seen no compelling alternative for.
This whole argument about isolation seems a waste of energy. And only distracts from most important issues.
It is not disputed that viruses are not living things. To reiterate, they are not biological organisms. They are probably best understood as biological toxins. They are likely, I believe, to be the breakdown products of degraded cells which are dead or dying as a result of one or more environmental stressors, or cells that are just at the end of their life cycle. They may serve as danger signals to other cells or to other living organisms. Virologists appear not to believe that viruses have any adaptive function, but are just infectious agents, waiting to infect in order to do their damage through stealing cellular mechanisms in order to replicate. They are likely, I believe, derived from cellular DNA and RNA of the supposedly “infected organism”, but may also be transmissible. Human DNA usually comprises around 3 billion or more base pairs. Viral DNA or RNA on the other hand, usually comprises 7,000 to 20,000 nucleotide pairs . This would be consistent with(although by no means proof of) the notion that viruses are a subset of host DNA or RNA.
To describe viral transmission as an “infection” may therefore be inaccurate, as infections connote the invasion of one living organism by another. It may be more accurate to view viruses as immunogens or cell derived poisons, possibly designed to sound the alarm system to the immune system that a clean up job is needed to remove the degraded products of moribund or dead cells. A possible model for viral transmission is the “shedding” that has been observed by individuals vaccinated with the COVID-19 spike protein to others who are unvaccinated, but then develop symptoms when in close proximity to the vaccinated person. A similar phenomenon is observed with the measles vaccine, through which others can develop measles. Another paradigm is the chicken pox virus, which can be transmitted through close exposure to those already suffering from chicken pox. Although these cases are usually referred to as “infections”, the word infection implies the invasion of one organism by another, so this is actually a misnomer. Poisoning or contamination might be a better paradigm for viral transmission.
Although the term “live virus” vaccine is used to describe vaccines that are made from viruses that are not “heat-killed”, viruses are not alive, so the term “live virus” is a misnomer. A “heat- killed” viral vaccine may actually be denatured DNA or RNA which has lost much of its immunogenic properties and when injected, produces an even weaker immune reaction from others. It also may have lower transmissibility or immunogenicity when “shed” or transmitted to others.
One of the main complaints about viral theory is that viruses (except for bacteriophages) are never isolated in their pure form (they fail Koch’s and Rogers’ postulates). They are identified indirectly by DNA assays, often PCR tests. If something exists, shouldn’t one be able to find it, especially, when viruses are said to exist in nature by the trillions or quadrillions — more than there are stars in the universe? These objections are never entirely addressed by those favoring classical viral theory. Yet there remains as counterpoint to this objection the undeniable fact of transmissibility and the fact that people have an immune response that is common with many types of infections. There are also easily detectable measures of immune activation, such as the white blood cell count, and cytokines such as prostaglandins, interleukin, TNF alpha, and other immune modulators.
A possible explanation to this conundrum is that the nucleotide base pairs that make up viruses are extremely unstable, perhaps barely stable enough to survive proximate transmission from animal to animal, human to animal or vice versa, but not stable enough to stand up to the in vitro techniques that they are being subjected to in the isolation process. They may be biological examples of what the Heisenberg uncertainty principal is for physics. In other words, the act of studying the virus may alter it in such a way that you can’t actually study it, or the act of studying may alter it in such a way that in such a way that it is no longer the same thing it was prior to being studied.
Because upper respiratory viruses produce a syndrome known as “coryza” or skin rashes which may resemble allergies in some cases, one might also wonder if there is some kind of allergic response with viruses. I think this unlikely as IgE and Eosinophilia are commonly elevated in allergy, and other signs of MAST cell activation. This is not typically seen in the case of viruses. What produces the malaise and secretory symptoms of both viral and allergic symptoms are rather the immune reaction to the substances in the bloodstream. Viruses are not allergens, which are primarily IgE mediated, but they likely are immunogens. We see similar diatheses in some toxic exposures — smoke, air pollution, and poison ivy/oak/sumac. There is a cytokine activation in these intoxications which produces the symptoms, and the nature of this reaction is specific to the toxin. Some kinds of toxins may produce lachrymation, and burning pains in the mucous membranes such as tear gas, and others, such as smoke or coal dust may produce more bronchial irritation and cough.
In sum, rather than viral syndromes being indications of viral “infections”, they may best be considered immune reactions to biologically toxic waste products from decaying or dead cells.
Since these waste products are composed of DNA or RNA fragments, if they are taken up by healthy cells, they may be reduplicated and transmitted to others as well as amplifying one’s own immune response. These biological toxins can be transmissible to those in close proximity, as with shedding, but are unlikely to be transmitted to those who are not in physical contact or close enough to be contaminated by the exhalations of those affected. Those who are sickened may indeed experience intracellular viral replication and develop a significant viral load. They may become quite ill.
I would propose that those who are experiencing viral syndrome secondary to some toxic exposure (chemical or electromagnetic, for example) or other stressor leading to cellular breakdown (excessive stress, poor diet, lack of sleep, exposure to cold, leading to chill, and over-exertion, for example) are likely to develop a worse illness than those who are not similarly intoxicated, but only experience the transmitted toxic effects of the virus. However, this may not always apply. Some people’s immune systems may have more of a tendency to over-react, and some may sweep away the toxins more expeditiously. Liver function also may impact on the severity of illness, as it affects the bodies ability to eliminate toxins rapidly. People with worse immune function may also have unique problems due to inability of the immune system to remove the toxins from the body through antibody binding and phagocytosis. People with an already high toxin load, from other poisons in their environment or a multiplicity of pharmaceutical swimming around in their blood stream may also be compromised. The role of Vitamin D levels in immune function and response to viral syndrome can not be overstated.
Some may object to my relabeling viruses as toxins, and insist they be classified as infectious agents. I am less interested in reclassifying viruses than in redefining them. This theory is nothing but a theory, and it awaits empirical verification, if that is possible in a world where there are limitations to science coming both from both human imperfections and the constraints placed by nature on its measurement, at least with the instruments humans have at their disposal.
we can reject vaccination as a bad idea even if viruses exist. ''settled'' science ?!
Equally, disproving virology wouldn't end vaccination. Some vaccines are supposed to prevent viruses, but there are vaccines against toxins, protists, bacteria, allergies, cancer.
'allergies, cancer. '' ' there are? or in the planning? in any case, both are caused by vaccines.
Gardasil once fake proteded 3, now 7. all sexually incuced. So we jab boys too now. Nearly killed my 16 yr old Step Granddaughter, left her with RA/FIBROMYALGIA, A LIFE OF deabiliting PAIN. Her parents are Libs. But no longer do jabs. She's grown, has baby #1, and has gone totally natural. Baby gets no jabs.
So glad to know that at least, even through personal experience, people are seeing that jabs are dangerous. Kudos to parents who don't jab their children.
Allergy vaccines have been around since at least the 1930s. I had a course myself as a child; they didn't work for me at all, although they were probably using the wrong allergen. They're supposed to work by inducing IgG4 (tolerance) antibodies to the allergen. They're less widely used nowadays, because of the risk of anaphylaxis.
all i know is that vaccines have been known to cause allergies, for 100 years, roughly.
egg
and peanut
It doesn’t work.
What will end vaccination is for us to let everyone know not to get them, and to look into them and that they really need to do their due diligence on this one. It's up to the indivdiual what they put into their body. They can put anything they like into it. But to force someone else is an act against nature and it's amazing everyone seems fine with that. How can any adult tell another adult what to do with their body? How can any adult go along with that? Sticking the fangs into children though, without even looking at what the ingredients are is culpable, even more culpable than the law makers. Actually the law makers are not culpable at all. They are only handing out orders. It's obeying them that is culpable, but besides that, we all need to sound the alarm loud and clear yet nobody even mentions the horror to those we know who still take the darned things.
I'm afraid it will take a very long time, for people to realize the mistake, and the harm of vaccination. We have it drilled into our brains that it is a modern miracle and has saved millions of lives. NOT. People refuse to connect allergies, autoimmune conditions, autism, cancer, and other diseases to the injections. They have legal protection from lawsuits, and cannot be put as cause on death certificates. They keep pushing them, and coming up with more, for profit. Evil crime against humanity. It is easier to fool someone, than to convince them they have been Fooled.~ Mark Twain. So so sad, as millions more suffer and die from this hideous medical error.
I see this isn’t a reference you need for yourself, but it is a good presentation, in support of everything you say, and more. All 6+ hrs are worth watching.
https://www.sirillp.com/aaron-siri-testifies-before-new-hampshire-house-committee/
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Modern medicine is turning a lot of disease treatments into vaccines and mRNA. Of coarse, many of the people who do not believe in viruses also say they don't believe in genetics and CRISPR. It must be convenient to just dismiss anything that gets in their way of their belief system.
Downs Sydrome is fake. Congenital defects, all fake. The amount of things NAV need to call fake in order to prop up their belief grows every day since there are many things which back up the existence of viruses, genetics, the immune system...
What's a NAV?
An abusive person who stalks and attacks anyone who believes in viruses, saying they must work for pharma, immune systems are fake and proof isn't proof, Rockerfellers exist which means everything they touch is fake. Logical fallacies and gaslighting abound. Did you experience contagion and an incubation? You're either lying, stupid or you work for pharma.
It's an anachronism for Not A Virus. Whatever it is, it is not a virus.
"You're either lying, stupid or you work for pharma."
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I merely asked what a NAV is - I'm 68 and not familiar with all these new anacronyms on social media. And by the way, I haven't been vaxxed or gone near a doctor for well over 40 years and as far as I'm aware I'm perfectly healthy. I am neither lying (but you can choose to believe I am if you wish), I'm not stupid (or senile yet, and I have a PhD in the Philosophy of Technology) and I was an engineer and inventor, and latterly builder of geodesic greenhouses. Now retired.
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Sorry I was trying to be playful and sarcastic. A lot of people don't know the anachronism. I should not use it anymore.
What I meant is this is how NAV treat people (not how I treat people). If you claim to have experienced contagion, expect direct insults or coercion to NAV way of thinking… then if you don't convert, insults ensue.
really? pity people go so over the top/extreme. it devalues real critique.
Tim Truth, Yeadon's right hand man, told me there is no proof the immune system exists. He wasn't the first or even the 10th NAV to say this. Basically they believe in scientific method but they don't believe in science. They question every medical article, its all fake, even biopsies showing vaccine spike protein in the brain, which killed someone can be identified as not Sarscov-2 infection spike protein. Even articles where science implicates itself, injecting simian virus into people through vaccines, injecting polio causing "vaccine polio outbreaks." There is no debating people who say it is all fake. People who imply because rockefellers are corrupt it means viruses do not exist, were not isolated FIRST from plants. The first tests of viruses were not even on humans but how do they explain this? They don't. They just call it all fake. The first "vaccines" were just infecting people with similar viruses (cow pox) in order to stave off more serious infections (small pox). They didn't involve heavy metals and toxins. It's their choice what they believe but their logic, to me, is illogical.
i do wonder if this extremity is away to muddle the convo altogether.
Exactly. Much of what they dislike about virology actually proves it exists even more. For example, virus isolation is more complex. They used to strain bacteria out. Then they introduced antibiotics to kill the bacteria. This is double proof it is a virus which remains. The microscope showed a virus was present and after antibiotic solution it remained. (they say this proves it isn't a virus) They call it "dust." So, tell me... how does dust replicate inside cells?
Regarding monkey kidney cells (the cells they use to replicate viruses), they lack IL-6 which is the immune cell that fights viruses off. This reveals much of why some people get infected and others do not, is they lack good immune response. It doubly proves it is a virus if it can get through without IL-6 present.
They demand Kochs postulate be fulfilled yet it is irrational because not all people will be susceptible to a virus and some will already have immunity.
What about studies showing gut bacteria fight off viruses? They call it fake because the only way to back up their belief is to say all medical studies are fake. They demand you show proof but they don't want proof they just want you to scurry around looking for medical articles wasting your time and energy, distracting you
What is the immune system, but the way the body naturally protects and heals itself. That is the real miracle, not poison injections.
“The first tests of viruses were not even on humans.” Um what are you even saying? My understanding is that the first “virus” claimed to be found was “tobacco mosaic virus” and the methodology used to make that ridiculous assertion was ridiculously unscientific. It was basically claimed that, because no bacterial agent could be found, there must be something smaller, so they called the imagined tiny particle “virus.” You have a lot of research ahead of you, and I encourage you to get busy. If you don’t like reading scientific papers, you can start here:
https://drsambailey.com/resources/videos/viruses-unplugged/tobacco-mosaic-virus-the-beginning-and-end-of-virology/
Everything you just said backs up the existence of viruses. You are oversimplifying the tobacco mosaic virus research. You are skipping all the steps they used to prove it was something which did not behave like a bacteria, fungus, toxin. They took many steps to back up the existence.
Your abusive superiority complex is showing. I have so much to learn and you are just the teacher I need to look to.
Your logical fallacies are crumbling. You take one thing, leave out pertinent facts then make sweeping statements.
There is no proof of viruses, as explained in the post. So what is purpose of the alleged immune system and what would it be doing?
I need Phar and her gorilla analogy here.
::batsignalling Phar::
We need to understand that we are dealing with phenomenal magicians that know how to manipulate the psyche. Probably true that we don't even have "an immune system" let alone viruses. It's also probably true that we didn't go to the moon and the earth isn't a round ball spinning through space. The lies we've been told - in every field - are staggering in their depth, heft and audacity. They are breathtaking. Imagine all these years, these scientists, believing in something they never even checked on and basing their life on it. And the "unrained" patients, handing over their bodies as if to the gods. It's mind blowing. But if viruses could be proven, then why wasn't it done decades ago? Why haven't they put this subject to bed by simply providing the proof? Is that really too much to ask (of after all - a "scientific" fraternity)? Are they taunting us or playing coy? What the heck is on with them? It is not up to those who question vaccines or medical scinece to answer the question "then what are these people suffering from if viruses don;'t exist". If that cannot be answered by the claimant's of it, then why should anyone believe they DO exist?
It is not the responsibility for backers of terrain theory to explain what those diseases are. It is the responsibility of the claimant. All the debaters want is proof of their claim, which they should been keen to provide.
Ah logic, you're so right, it's splendid!
My son's thymus organ was stolen during heart surgery leaving him severely immunodeficient. He is the canary in the coal mine. It's all fake though, according to you. Carry on.
“…people who don’t believe in viruses…” don’t have that view due to any “belief system.” It is simply that science has failed to demonstrate “viruses” are real. The “believers” are actually those who faithfully believe that other people must have done the work. Anyone is capable of finding out whether their beliefs are based on valid science. Just read and think, that’s all that’s required!
You believe the proof science has aquired with extensive studies is all fake. You excuse your beliefs by equivocation, saying because they are corrupt, what doesn't back up your beliefs, including peoples personal experiences, are all fake. Your belief is that what my son, myself and my family have gone through is not real and if we do not agree with you we are any number of derogatory things.
Yes those conditions exist but the reasons for why they exist has not been told to us. Let's get to what the answers REALLY ARE about the bases of the whole enchilada, and then we can drop germ theory and go in the right direction. If germ theory holds up, then we go that way. Why aren't scientists jumping to prove viruses exist? They could win this one in no time. Why the reluctance from the medical industry to engage in proof of viruses?
They already proven viruses exist.
They have documented them under darkfield microscopy, in blood of sick people, injected them into animals, implicated themselves in many ways infecting people with polio vaccine virus and simian virus. If you do not want to believe that's fine but saying proof doesn't exist, does not make it all go POOF just for you. Take on the burden of proof instead of asking people who already proved they exist to keep doing the studies over so you can call them fake.
Take on the burden of proof.
Get your Sam Bailey who makes money selling her theories to study large groups of people who have been tested positive for viruses and see what exactly is going on in their blood.
Yup. Tetanus is supposedly caused by a bacterium. That's a very common vaccine.
I’m not aware of these vaccines you speak of. Please provide a reference to a vaccine against toxins. Thanks. You might be right that people will still choose to inject themselves, their children, and their patients, but I do think that no rational person would do that when they realize that it all is built upon corrupt science…If we can call it science.
For some reason the pernicious ones who decide all this love the idea of vaccines. Why? Well to make tons of money for one thing but secondly, they love fangs. serpents. And they love babies' blood.
Yes, but the fact is “viruses” don’t exist, so there’s no reason to say, “even if viruses exist.” Vaccines are toxic & dangerous AND “virus” is a mythical entity. I agree with your point though.
It is interesting that the 1986 law that indemnified pharma companies from any harms caused by "vaccines" contained the statement (paraphrasing), "vaccines are inherently unsafe." Written into a law that holds pharma companies harmless. Only a feckless, bought-and-paid-for Congress could do that.
Well, I'm one of those people. Viruses? prove it. Virology? Let independents into your lab to watch and see what's being done. Genetics? What, where when how does that prove anything? It doesn't. Psychiatry? 200-300 mental disorders made up by a pervert with no verifiable proof other than he said so. Dermatology? Don't make me laugh. Cosmetic surgeons? Morphed into men cutting young mens penises off. Contagion? Never been proven, ever.
For those who believe in all this Harvard grad chicanery of bullshit, please, have at it. Keep taking these vaccines that are all meant to maim and kill you. Make a list of diseases produced in the 20th century that didn't exist the century before. Were things better or worse after we cured natural childhood disease through vaccines? I know the answer to that last question. The onus falls on you to prove I am wrong. I'm happy to have that debate.
Once it's been shown that viruses don't exist, the entire medical fraternity will dissolve. I feel that industry attracts sadists. Not that all of them are, many are there to do good work for humanity, but it attracts sadists too. Including the psychiatric "industry".
Sam Bailey says:
Virology births Vaccination.
Virology births “Pandemics.”
Virology births Lockdowns.
Virology births Pandemic Preparedness.
Virology births cover narratives for industrial poisoning.
Sounds to me like Sam Bailey is asking people to deny the existence of something many people suffer and die from in order to sooth her, and your, fears. This is exactly what we are fleeing, "othering" people who have different beliefs and experiences from us. Gaslighting them and demanding they change their beliefs for us and accommodate our beliefs. These NAV people don't just ask for people to have open minds they ask for them to deny the existence of what they are experiencing.
Contagion is real for many of us who have immune defects, congenital or aquired. Incubation periods are real. Anyone who lives outside of mainstream, away from people who only gets sick when around sick people- (ie) is around EMF and doesn't get sick, catching what others have is real. So is virus isolation through old school means of straining. So is contamination of vaccines with viruses. Call it fake if you want just don't tell me what to believe or "other" me.
Even worse - they censor polite debate.
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I've noticed I also self-censor and change my wording to be more "inclusive" incase a NAV comes along, hoping they will allow me to have a conversation that doesn't turn into them insulting me, demeaning me, accusing me of working for pharma and demanding I change my beliefs and stop discussing what I'm talking about because to them it is all fake.
If anyone is not just telling others what to believe but forcing them to take a medical procedure even if they don't want it, is the medical fraternity or the "scientific" fraternity.
You are "attacking the person and not the issue" by intimating that what we are saying is tha the people who suffer are faking it. Oh we know people suffer, often we suffer too, but that still doesn't prove that viruses exist.
And just because you say they do doesn't make it so either.
Why do you not ask your beloved fraternity to provide unequivocal proof and be done with this argument?
You have no proof what I have suffered from most of my life is not EBV. I have proof every time I go to test and they show my titers, my body going through hell, biopsy of liver showing virus attacking it.
You say I am attacking the person, not the issue. You are attacking me, my experiences, not the issue. So is Sam Bailey. I am saying that when anyone claims to have caught a virus you attack them, like what you just did with me, act like I am part of a fraternity of corrupt science and they are my beloved.
What I and others suffer from is a contagious virus with an incubation which titers can test for immunity to and any insinuation that we dont understand what contagion is, what we experienced, is gaslighting. Acting like I need to provide any proof to you is irrational. I don't owe you anything especially when everything I would show you would be torn apart by you and called fake.
What science is doing to people, forcing them, is the same as what NAV do. You want to control and insult anyone who doesnt agree with you when you cannot control them.
I'm not forcing you to believe I just want to be left the fuck alone when I do discuss something not get some attack on my experience, my values, my intelligence. Fuck off
Ironic isn't it Heidi, you wish to be left alone to speak as you wish in favor of vaccines and we wish to exercise freedom to choose what goes in our bodies. No one is forcing you to shut your mouth. But the people and cause you support forced through coercion to take a medical product against their will. People lost their jobs for refusing the jab. People were beaten and arrested for not wearing masks for God sake. Dr.'s lost their licenses to practice for refusing to go along with obviously nonsensical, unhealthy, dangerous deadly recommendations including a completely untested "vaccine" that's still killing people today as we speak. So Heidi you a free to do what you wish to do with your body including your mouth. You can keep it shut or not. But when ever I encounter people like you, I confront the medical tyranny.
Foul language or outrage is not evidence. Where is the evidence that EBV exists? I don’t mean titers, which beg the question.
what are NAV people?
People who believe whatever it is, it is "Not A Virus."
NAV is an easier, shorter way to say people who do not believe in viruses
That it is still a belief is kind of proof that viruses don't exist. Proof extinguishes belief but when no proof is forthcoming, it instills doubt. And there are whole populations who base their lives on such a belief. Until "science" can prove and to the stupidest person to boot, that viruses exist, then they remain merely a belief, and that's equivalent to a religion or a cult.
You have made so many contradictory statements here and are arguing semantics. It's called crazy making.
First a belief existing doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
For me, my belief shows respect that other things can also make people sick and we have a lot more to learn about viruses.
Second, proof exists but when you call it all fake you are instilling doubt which is a tactic used to derail topics and confuse people.
Insinuating that you need to "convince" even the "stupidest person" is a low blow.
You "believe viruses do not exist." That is a cult also when it tries to convert people with abusive language, insults and denying people's experiences. You've reached my FUCK OFF point.
Yeah well people who close their minds to new ideas constantly reach my "fuck off point" so understand that it's no picnic trying to bring sense to a converaation. You have made unsubstantiated claims - that I make contradictory statments but offered no evidence for that. Maybe you think that simply making the claim is enough for people to accept it as truth?
To go to the truth we need to be specific not "wishy washy". Please explain where I was contradictory or shut up. If they hold water, they could help me improve and isn't that what we're really here for?
The highest respect we could give to everyone is to follow the truth. If we instill doubt, so be it! People need to use their grey matter, it's doing them a favor.
Yes, when we make statements, if we are not prepared to make them convincing, then you will be expressing yourself as being full of hot air and then nobody will listen to you. And that's a good thing because we hear too much from hot air expellers.
And the explanation needs to be made so that even a grandmother can understand it. I believe viruses do not exist, correct. However I would like to know why "science" stil lhasn't ascertained that fundamental fact.
But the weirdest thing is why people defend their not needing to.
I'm telling YOU to fuck off, not your ideas. I've heard your insults and insinuations that my belief in something makes it fake and I'm stupider than even the stupidest person. You might be here to insult and annoy people, argue semantics and crazymake, tell everone proof is not proof. I am not. Fuck the fuck off
“Virology births Pandemics.”
Not true.
Virology did not birth the Plague that destroyed the Roman Empire, or the Athenian plague. Virology did not cause the Black Death, that destroyed two thirds of Europe.
What caused these plagues and Black Death, was the same thing that causes ALL pandemics and plagues; GERM THEORY.
Consider the work of Dr. Jonathan Snow, who, during the great Cholera pandemic, noticed that people were getting sick from drinking water from some wells and not others. He promptly got authorities to shut down these wells, and provide clean drinking water, that eventually eradicated the disease. In other words clean drinking water cured a pandemic.
Why is the work of Dr. Snow, almost universally forgotten in the public mind, and totally ignored by BigPharma?
The reason is, that Dr. Snow focused on the TERRAIN, not a germ?
While I am curious about this NAV issue, Just to clarify:
Bacteria are not viruses.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/virus-vs-bacteria-difference
What caused the Black Death?
The Black Death is believed to have been the result of plague, an infectious fever caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis. The disease was likely transmitted from rodents to humans by the bite of infected fleas. https://www.britannica.com/event/Black-Death
Cholera is an acute, diarrheal illness caused by infection of the intestine with the bacterium Vibrio cholerae.
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/cholera
Germ Theory in medicine, the theory that certain diseases are caused by the invasion of the body by microorganisms, organisms too small to be seen except through a microscope.
https://www.britannica.com/science/germ-theory
But you see, if that is so, the viruses are not the cause of anything, the terrain is, and that allows the "viruses" to invade the body.
My mother live to be a centenarian with any vaccines. She always said she had a Noah’s Arc gut. The terrain is everything.
Your right, bacterium caused Black Death, Athenian plague and Anotinine Plague (smallpox). Not viruses. My main point was that Dr. Snow cured Cholera epidemic with clean drinking water, not a pill. Why have we moved so far away from hygiene as a “cure” instead of a pill for every disease?
Read What Really Makes You Ill?, Also, The Invisible Rainbow. Germs are invisible, but what really makes you ill, is also invisible, EMF, poison vapors in the air, poisons in the water. During the plague, there were comets, and they give off noxious gases, which sickened the people. Sounds crazy, but a tiny bug jumping in your nose is beginning to sound crazy to me.
Brilliant! Thank you. There may be something to germ theory but a minor role. We need to get to the bottom of this toute suite because then we can go in the right direction and people can be healed.
Both can exist together. Germs in dirty water and toxins in dirty water. Sometimes toxins compromise the immune system and lead to people being susceptible to pathogens. Just because toxins exist doesn't automatically mean viruses do not. This does not equal that. It can all exist.
Virologists operate on the level of ancient superstitions. Snatching at imaginary dybbuk's that can only be seen through the lens of super techno-marvel machines that are pre-programmed to point towards motes and mites as evidence of the haunting.
Perpetuating this primitive superstition that submicroscopic invisible particles floating through the air make people sick requires loads of jargon, increasingly obscure language to mystify the quackery. Not to mention a non-stop multi-billion dollar propaganda campaigns and legions of hired priests in white robes who claim the mantle of "science" to hoodwink the unsuspecting public. Pretty amazing to think people believe this voodoo garbage. Excellent means of social control.
And then they create magical elixirs (that in a sane world would be understood for what they are- industrial poisons) that allegedly exorcise these submicroscopic demons from the mortal body. Makes for a good show and big business, but has nothing to do with biological reality.
It's rather fitting that the pinnacle of the dangerous religious cults of virology and vaccinology is the malignant belief that injecting synthetic chemicals made by habitually criminal companies that profit from perpetual disease somehow produces health.
Germ theory and gene theory are both reductionist, primitive superstitions that only remain viable due to massive propaganda and massive funding from the ruling interests that birthed and benefit from them at the expense of humanity.
Jamie's work replicating the isolation of viruses is the sort of science that provides evidence we can all understand and support regardless of our personal beliefs. Others seem to just take a lot of $ and self promote without doing any real science themselves.
Lies are definitely unbecoming and its a shame (and a wee shock) to find some of the proponents of no virus are not entirely honest. I now wonder at their motives and am certainly not alone in this regard.
Heidi's and Geoffrey's comments here both contain elements I agree and disagree with, but because the "Science" is not settled my position is to wait and see the results of experiments and good, honest uncensored debates. High expectations, yes I acknowledge that.
The current methodology of isolation is laughable but I also still see transmission of something, perhaps STD's, herpes etc, name it what you want. There is so much we don't know and so much medical knowledge we have been lied to about that it will take years (if ever) for consensus and we don't have that time luxury today.
Terrain does make a lot of logical sense A Dr that states that there is nothing in the body that can harm you is not one that I would want though. How about cancer for starters?
The amount of nurses and ladies that had severe bleeding issues after looking after the freshly jabbed oldies in homes strongly suggests either shedding or transmission of some sort. Even in the small circle I knew at the time it was undeniable.
What is obvious to me is that there is not enough time to convince the world that viruses don't exist in order to stop the continuing poisoning that is occurring, even if it was 100% correct. I still donated to the experiments of Jamie's though and remain happy to debate the points with anyone, without attacking the messengers.
I agree with most of what you said, but is it necessary to delve relentlessly into proving this or that exists when your own eyes tell you what you just saw or experienced? See, that's where I get crazy. Must I prove the sun will burn me if I stay under it for too long, or the reason rain is wet? These are questions my granddaughter has asked when she was 5.
Bechamp was correct. Pasteur was dead wrong. The Rockefeller's went with the germ theory. Why? Can we not see the results from that choice? Can we not see the corruption, mass deaths and profits derived from that decision? Yet we are to believe that these twisted sciences are humanitarian. Really!! Cure something, anything, then maybe I'll believe. Cancer cures? Out the wazoo. All destroyed. Why?
I am lucky as I do get to see cancers go away, recently even one of those common new overnight big lump on the neck ones on a young fella in his 20's- gone in 2 weeks. Another recent one was a glioblastoma - gone in 8 weeks. Yes I only believe what I see optically as well with the scope, and the experiments I do myself.
The cancer I really want to see gone is the rocketfellas and their ilk though.
How are the cancers gone? Are you referring to IVM?
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Unsubscribing. Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Very prescient poignant reasoning. Have been in the trenches with doctorate degree for over 3 decades. The elusive virus does not exist, certainly does not cause infectious disease.
Big P, and their henchmen the medical cartel have always lied.
Admitting the lie is highly problematic, however these times are unprecedented. Pressure from those who experienced. deliberate genocide assists greatly.
My heart is overjoyed reading this. Yes of course - prove that viruses exist! So basic yet still hasn't been done. See the depths of the hallucination? Even "scientists" are not asking for this verification. Maybe in their hearts they know viruses don't exist as we've been told but it's too lucrative for them to quit the charade. This is brilliant! I can't imagine the five labs coming up with the diagnosis consistently. And if they do, then they could put this terrain theory to bed. They should be jumping at the chance to prove to us that viruses are real. They should have that kind of basic information readily available. It would be interesting to see how these tests will be monitored and by whom. I go even further and say all laboratory work is meaningless. The reason I say this is because nobody lives in a sterile environment.
Tell me why people get sick with colds and flu , ( besides body detoxing ) and I’ll believe that viruses don’t exist . I haven’t been convinced that there is no contagion. What is it then ? Why did I get sick when my baby niece , who had a cold , sneezed into my mouth ? I’m so confused on this subject virus versus no virus . And the Baileys only confuse me more .
Yes because we're told that, we tend to look for evidence to hold it true. But something else might be afoot. Something we haven't looked at. If viruses are real then why are people getting sicker? The answer may be that what we're doing only makes things worse but we know without even doing a test that people are sicker than ever before overall. Why if we know what the culprit is? And why do only a percentage improve from medication, strangely the same percentage as placebo. Could the percentage that improves be also due to their belief that the pill will help them or in other words, more placebo effects?
People are sicker overall than ever before because of their extremely poor diets, including all the sugar, processed foods, GMO’s and Pharma medications they consume. They are also sicker because they are not getting enough sunshine and exercise. I don’t believe science is nearly as advanced as they portray when it comes to understanding the complexity of the human body and what is good for us and what is bad for us. Or, if they are, it is not being publicized because it would be bad news for Big Pharma, Big Food and Big Ag. They demonized animal fat as the cause of heart disease for decades when sugar is a much more likely culprit for it, as well as metabolic syndrome leading to pre-diabetes and full blown diabetes.
I’m not married to the fact that viruses exist; however, until someone can provide a reasonable explanation as to why a large part of the Native American population was wiped out from small pox, measles, chickenpox, etc after the arrival of Europeans and why, those same “childhood” diseases appeared to pass from one child to another until they were mostly eradicated (and no, I don’t think vaccines were necessarily responsible for this eradication). When my husband came home, pre-Covid, will an illness that had unusual symptoms such as altered taste and no sense of smell, and within a few days, I too became sick with those same symptoms what is the explanation? He had been out of town with another person who became ill 24-48 hours before he did, so it’s not as if we were all exposed to some toxin because we were not in the same place. I also don’t find it convincing that we were both detoxing with the same unusual symptoms, nor that we all had the same allergic reaction to something (both of which I’ve seen offered as alternatives du jour to virus theories). I’ve seen the virus deniers scoff at the lost sense of smell as a symptom of Covid saying that always happens with a cold; however once I had recovered it took over a year for my sense of smell to return which has never happened before. Once someone is able to offer a coherent explanation that addresses these types of scenarios I’m happy to agree that viruses do not exist. Until then there does not seem to be a more credible theory that I’ve heard. All of which is NOT to say that vaccines are the answer. Anyone with any common sense at this point should all agree on that, so why alienate people to that cause by insisting on something that is contrary to many people’s firsthand experiences?
There is a lot of mythology in virology and genetics. Johnathan Couey has helped me sort a lot of this out.
https://gigaohmbiological.substack.com/p/uk-doctors-for-covid-ethics-international
beware the pandemic treaty is coming back much sooner than we think for the details check out the james roguski substack..also go to citizengo.org and scroll through till you find a petition stop the who,s accelerated push to finalise the pandemic treaty...its a worldwide petition it canbe signed and reshared widely worldwide fromany country in the world including yours...that said when rsharing it dontwaste your time using you tube/twitter/gestapo book who you can be sure will censor and suppress it..it currently has over 246000 signatures
Petitions are a waste of time. I wonder why so many haven't learned that yet. Just like viruses vs terrain, representative government is the poison terrain that allows virus-like people to take hold. What do we need to do? Put our minds to finding new methods of consensus. Some have already been developed. But that is what is needed. We need to totally ignore ANYTHING that comes from pathogen.
Excellent as always!
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I don't understand the focus on "isolation." All kinds of things in history were postulated before they could be isolated, and turned out to be real.
There is plenty of experimental evidence of the existence of viruses and their effects. There would have to be explained by some other mechanisms that I have seen no compelling alternative for.
This whole argument about isolation seems a waste of energy. And only distracts from most important issues.
It is not disputed that viruses are not living things. To reiterate, they are not biological organisms. They are probably best understood as biological toxins. They are likely, I believe, to be the breakdown products of degraded cells which are dead or dying as a result of one or more environmental stressors, or cells that are just at the end of their life cycle. They may serve as danger signals to other cells or to other living organisms. Virologists appear not to believe that viruses have any adaptive function, but are just infectious agents, waiting to infect in order to do their damage through stealing cellular mechanisms in order to replicate. They are likely, I believe, derived from cellular DNA and RNA of the supposedly “infected organism”, but may also be transmissible. Human DNA usually comprises around 3 billion or more base pairs. Viral DNA or RNA on the other hand, usually comprises 7,000 to 20,000 nucleotide pairs . This would be consistent with(although by no means proof of) the notion that viruses are a subset of host DNA or RNA.
To describe viral transmission as an “infection” may therefore be inaccurate, as infections connote the invasion of one living organism by another. It may be more accurate to view viruses as immunogens or cell derived poisons, possibly designed to sound the alarm system to the immune system that a clean up job is needed to remove the degraded products of moribund or dead cells. A possible model for viral transmission is the “shedding” that has been observed by individuals vaccinated with the COVID-19 spike protein to others who are unvaccinated, but then develop symptoms when in close proximity to the vaccinated person. A similar phenomenon is observed with the measles vaccine, through which others can develop measles. Another paradigm is the chicken pox virus, which can be transmitted through close exposure to those already suffering from chicken pox. Although these cases are usually referred to as “infections”, the word infection implies the invasion of one organism by another, so this is actually a misnomer. Poisoning or contamination might be a better paradigm for viral transmission.
Although the term “live virus” vaccine is used to describe vaccines that are made from viruses that are not “heat-killed”, viruses are not alive, so the term “live virus” is a misnomer. A “heat- killed” viral vaccine may actually be denatured DNA or RNA which has lost much of its immunogenic properties and when injected, produces an even weaker immune reaction from others. It also may have lower transmissibility or immunogenicity when “shed” or transmitted to others.
One of the main complaints about viral theory is that viruses (except for bacteriophages) are never isolated in their pure form (they fail Koch’s and Rogers’ postulates). They are identified indirectly by DNA assays, often PCR tests. If something exists, shouldn’t one be able to find it, especially, when viruses are said to exist in nature by the trillions or quadrillions — more than there are stars in the universe? These objections are never entirely addressed by those favoring classical viral theory. Yet there remains as counterpoint to this objection the undeniable fact of transmissibility and the fact that people have an immune response that is common with many types of infections. There are also easily detectable measures of immune activation, such as the white blood cell count, and cytokines such as prostaglandins, interleukin, TNF alpha, and other immune modulators.
A possible explanation to this conundrum is that the nucleotide base pairs that make up viruses are extremely unstable, perhaps barely stable enough to survive proximate transmission from animal to animal, human to animal or vice versa, but not stable enough to stand up to the in vitro techniques that they are being subjected to in the isolation process. They may be biological examples of what the Heisenberg uncertainty principal is for physics. In other words, the act of studying the virus may alter it in such a way that you can’t actually study it, or the act of studying may alter it in such a way that in such a way that it is no longer the same thing it was prior to being studied.
Because upper respiratory viruses produce a syndrome known as “coryza” or skin rashes which may resemble allergies in some cases, one might also wonder if there is some kind of allergic response with viruses. I think this unlikely as IgE and Eosinophilia are commonly elevated in allergy, and other signs of MAST cell activation. This is not typically seen in the case of viruses. What produces the malaise and secretory symptoms of both viral and allergic symptoms are rather the immune reaction to the substances in the bloodstream. Viruses are not allergens, which are primarily IgE mediated, but they likely are immunogens. We see similar diatheses in some toxic exposures — smoke, air pollution, and poison ivy/oak/sumac. There is a cytokine activation in these intoxications which produces the symptoms, and the nature of this reaction is specific to the toxin. Some kinds of toxins may produce lachrymation, and burning pains in the mucous membranes such as tear gas, and others, such as smoke or coal dust may produce more bronchial irritation and cough.
In sum, rather than viral syndromes being indications of viral “infections”, they may best be considered immune reactions to biologically toxic waste products from decaying or dead cells.
Since these waste products are composed of DNA or RNA fragments, if they are taken up by healthy cells, they may be reduplicated and transmitted to others as well as amplifying one’s own immune response. These biological toxins can be transmissible to those in close proximity, as with shedding, but are unlikely to be transmitted to those who are not in physical contact or close enough to be contaminated by the exhalations of those affected. Those who are sickened may indeed experience intracellular viral replication and develop a significant viral load. They may become quite ill.
I would propose that those who are experiencing viral syndrome secondary to some toxic exposure (chemical or electromagnetic, for example) or other stressor leading to cellular breakdown (excessive stress, poor diet, lack of sleep, exposure to cold, leading to chill, and over-exertion, for example) are likely to develop a worse illness than those who are not similarly intoxicated, but only experience the transmitted toxic effects of the virus. However, this may not always apply. Some people’s immune systems may have more of a tendency to over-react, and some may sweep away the toxins more expeditiously. Liver function also may impact on the severity of illness, as it affects the bodies ability to eliminate toxins rapidly. People with worse immune function may also have unique problems due to inability of the immune system to remove the toxins from the body through antibody binding and phagocytosis. People with an already high toxin load, from other poisons in their environment or a multiplicity of pharmaceutical swimming around in their blood stream may also be compromised. The role of Vitamin D levels in immune function and response to viral syndrome can not be overstated.
Some may object to my relabeling viruses as toxins, and insist they be classified as infectious agents. I am less interested in reclassifying viruses than in redefining them. This theory is nothing but a theory, and it awaits empirical verification, if that is possible in a world where there are limitations to science coming both from both human imperfections and the constraints placed by nature on its measurement, at least with the instruments humans have at their disposal.