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Crixcyon's avatar
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Unbeknownst to many and well hidden behind the scenes, is the fact that big pharma owns much of the supplement industry. Yes, it is true. Since their biggest profit makers are vaccines and drugs, why would they bother with marketing much cheaper-to-manufacture supplements?

Their extremely profitable marketing model requires a plethora of unhealthy and ill patients feeding endlessly in their putrid and toxic drug trough. Thus, there is NO FRICKING WAY that the slime known as big pharma is going to market supplements to keep you healthy. Many of these supplements are toxic too. Many come with ingredients from China and India. Spooky.

Connect the dots and ditch the vaccines, drugs and SUPPLEMENTS. Eat as much real food as you can and less sody-pop, energy drinks and fast foods.

tRuth's avatar

And NO seed oils!

MJ's avatar

Well it is still now finally possible to get organic extra-virgin canola seed oil, since both toxins at the farm stage as well as horrid processing in marketing destroy canola's great benefits of perfectly balanced omegas... I found it in gallon bottles from a company called oilscenter.com selling at Walmart already.... ttyl

tRuth's avatar

Linoleic acid creates inflammation, organic or not.

MJ's avatar

it seems you've been misinformed... the inflammatory responses are from an IMBALANCE in the Omegas... Canolas got a good balance when properly harvested and pressed... ttyl

Horsea T.'s avatar

I agree with you, from what I have read in what I see as objective sources. The point as you know is that a lot of people overload on omega 6 seed oils. I know this is a cliche - but we have to look at the whole diet and the whole person, not just "Avoid seed oils!" If we consumed no Omega 6s and consumed plenty of Omega 3s, guess what would happen...

And another thing. Maybe we should minimize consumption of all extracted oils and fats - all of them. Whatever happened to all that stuff about eating "whole foods".

MJ's avatar

GARBAGE standards in finances as well as chemistry...

Seriously,... who's CERTIFYING the crap he claims were collected in UNKNOWABLE VORTEXES in seawater and check the critters concentrating there, on top of cold filtering ...

THE PHARMA TRICK is telling you how little is needed,...

AND restricts y'all to think of it as PILLS...

That icon of science knowledge -- FAUCI -- actually pretended nutrient savvy in taking 2grams of vitC.... ROTFLMHO....

FACT: every member of the animal kingdom PRODUCES lot of VitC INTERNALLY, usually in their liver.....

The LEVEL of VitC that a GOAT [our size and closest mother's milk] PRODUCES in its own BODY won't be reached with just FOOD in HUMANS... PRIMATES, guinea pigs and fruit bats LOST THAT ABILITY so supplementing is NEEDED for ordinary humans... every other member of the animal kingdom has that ability to some extent...

2ndly.........

FOR PREGNANT MOMMAS the NEED is MUCH HIGHER ...particularly as BABY GROWS and MOMMA's body prepares for delivery stretching.. vitC is needed for proper formation of COLLAGEN --which we are mostly made of... C puts the needed twists in the helices involved in collagen by hydroxylation and some of the Vit C is exhausted/destroyed ---not just recycled like other antioxidants....

Dr F.R.Klenner demonstrated that WITH added

5g/day [1st trimester], 10g/da [2nd trimester] 15g/da [3rd trimester]

[and not in stupid big gulps of pills, spread around the clock]

there were ZERO MISCARRIAGES, ZERO birth defects, ZERO postpartum hemorrhages, SHORTER LABORS... published 323 CONSECUTIVE OFFICE CASES in a Nutrition journal....

3rdly..............

In a health crisis, that goat can RAMP UP PRODUCTION by a FACTOR of TEN... 100g in a day

so.........

Learn to use supplementing more naturally... think more like the orthomolecular medical supplementing, along with the human friendly stuff like yogurts, ferments, and infrareds, magnetic fields and Cayce [1% baking soda in pure water] daily nosedrops, energy medicine.

TTYL

SuzyF's avatar

Thank you!! I do source my supplements carefully from small private companies with mostly food ingredients...but it is tricky! Linus Pauling did much good research on Vit C, as well. It's been years since I read the information.

MJ's avatar

I surely don't envy that worry, but I guess those food-source manufacturers need followers who sort out the troubles... But since all the research on using C is based on the science definition, I simply use bulk supplement as our resource b/c although the vitC comes from China, they use third-party batch testing and you can get the test results for your package since it identifies the batch it came from.....

Maybe we could get vitC manufacturing RETURNED to the USA, not just cars or chips or whatever.... We did use to make it here... under the Dutch/Swiss company [DSM] b/c the only remaining non-China resource is in Scotland... We got the corn farming, and if they would face how detrimental it would be to not have a MEDICAL RESERVE, maybe the idea would fly.... ttyl

Deb.Butler's avatar

I agree that chemicals, referred to as vitamins or supplements, are bogus. I was taking thousands of milligrams of liposomal vitamin C (ascorbic acid), and my vitamin C was low. My functional chiropractor told me to try Camu Camu, a tropical fruit that I had never heard of. I did, and all my bruises disappeared in days, and I no longer bruise. I now stick, when possible, to naturally sourced supplements. Substances our bodies recognize, and can actually use

SuzyF's avatar

Me too! Camu Camu is great!!

Rick's avatar

I like the article but it brings up an issue that has bothered me since I've started this substack.

Some of these products are out of reach of normal people. They are effectively unicorns. I get that it is important that we understand how these products bounce off the industrial products, but these alternatives are effectively out of reach.

I did some searching for the Marine Plasma. Turns out the very Doctor this article mentions sells the stuff, $60 for what appears to be 750ml. I found the same stuff cheaper on Amazon, $21 for a quart. These are the ready to drink products, the concentrates cost much more. I guess $21 a quart isn't so bad for us retired folk who live on something better than social security, but a family of five can forget it.

There was an article some time back, forget a bit of it, something about Deuterium free water? That stuff was $50 a liter, holy cow, who buys that stuff?

I call these the 1% products. The top 1% of the population can experience them. I don't mean to criticize the author or his subject, it's good information, the products just aren't realistic, for now. Once or if we push these alternative approaches then competition will bring the cost down so maybe we can call them 80% products. The other 20% can be afforded by social programs.

I use the Shilajit myself, that's about $.50 a dose. That is probably reachable by most, even the larger families, almost $100 a month for a family of five. But even that is up there a bit, certainly doesn't leave much room for other alternatives.

Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Basic issue.

Dietary deficiencies abound in the life style of millions and millions of Americans. In 2008, a endocrinologist ordered a Vitamin D blood test for my wife and I. I was astounded. We lived together for almost 50 years. Her blood value of D in it's active form was 9 ng's. Mine was 50 ng's. Only difference between us was she was sun shy and I played golf without sunscreen year round. There is only one choice: Boost blood value of D with a supplement in it's D3 form and not D2.. Is boosting D via sunshine better?. Yes, but fair skinned humans need to be careful.

In pharmacy school, I took a course in Organic chemistry. the title of the course should have been synthetic chemistry. Nothing organic about how to reproduce chemicals found in nature. We now have a global chemical enterprise that exceeds 30 Billion dollars in sales selling the phony concept of "Natural Flavors" Nothing natural all synthetic. Hides chemicals such as MSG and other taste enhancers. The industry is larger that the US supplement industry.

My wife's oncologist treated her with chemicals that burned holes in her kidney's nephrons which allowed magnesium to be drained from her body. Prescribed Magnesium Oxide which is poorly absorbed. Did nothing to fix the problem. Went to the health food store and bought the glycinate form and miraculously the issue was reversed. Medical industry has not educated physicians about the importance of nutrients to maintain good health.

One last example. I reject red meat raised on corn which produces artery clogging Oemga-6.

Consequently blood tests have confirmed I am low in biotin, which is one of many nutrients found in red meat. I supplement with biotin to keep the nails strong. I supplement with Vitamin D3 which the anti-supplement boys have labeled rat poison. Keeps my D at 70 ng's with 125 mg daily. No colds, no skin problems.

The allopathic medicine model runs on synthetic chemicals that interfere with normal biochemical reactions on the cellular level. Between having trace toxins in our food supply, with which on average is grossly nutrient deficient and the synthetic chemicals being pushed on a OTC and Rx basis to solve health issues we have a US population that is deeply unhealthy and has a health score equivalent to Bangladesh.

Considering that Big Pharma sells 500 Billion in Drugs to the US population, they see the supplement industry as an impediment to their ability to grow the synthetic drug business.

Consequently, there is a continued push to discredit the value of supplements and especially D.

RNA is the latest push to keep the allopathic medicine model profitable.

I'll supplement to keep me from being prescribed synthetic RX drugs any day of the week.

Why? Read the book "Death by Medicine" by Gary Null. One investigative author claims one of the major drug houses killed 2 million people selling their synthetic chemicals over the last 75 years.

Leynia's avatar

Thanks for the book title.

Yal NA's avatar

It is true food is better but sometimes vitamins in pill form can be used as medication. I take high doses dose b2 it prevents my migraines. Nothing else ever helped. Now i figured out b1 pills help with steadyness of my blood sugar. It is helping. If i try it via food i cant do it since i cant eat much food.

Horsea T.'s avatar

Of course! No food has huge doses of any vitamin (except maybe for bear liver having a lot of Vit. A), so if vitamin pills "work" when taken in the form of a high-vitamin pill, you are dealing with medicine, not essential nutrients anymore.

In any case, as you say, some people need to consume vitamins in such a form. We do the best that we can!

I've read about schizophrenics curing themselves by following a strict diet. Really really strict; day after day. However, how many can do that? They don't have the internal strength to stick to such a regimen, so they take plenty of niacin (or whatever) and their symptoms are gone and they can function as humans. Right or wrong.

A perfect diet will prevent everything, not just mental illness - whereas a concentrated vitamin, as in 3 grams of niacin, still leaves you susceptible to whatever. I'd say take the concentrated high dose vitamin to get yourself started then slowly back off and see if you can now eat the right way.

Debi Lutman's avatar

Sadly the poor won’t be living near springs or have the stirring devices that bring it life. As the others. The free activities we can replicate for the kids that STILL play OUTSIDE. Rain or shine. Shoes & jackets thrown to the side. The aluminum & 5G together is destroying much and isn’t going away soon. 4am every morning I hear the back & forth fly overs. Later the blanket layer of fake cloud shields the suns rays. We share this info, we share Mellowcat (Substack) & Dane for geoengineering. Wrote to elected officials to vote right to restore sanity and quit culling mankind.

But always pray. God knows. He gave us free will. We let go of the reigns in the US. A republic, that wasn’t supposed to sit back and trust elected leaders, we drove into garages and stop talking to each other, neighborhoods etc. Too distracted to care or make it on a priority list. And for me, and a majority of our founders, God slipped from that priority list too. But that’s another subject for the way we let evil in. Permeate our world.

Thank you, this of course still needs to be shared. I will.

I am on mobile, would loose my post if I went to look up, but Agent(#’s I can’t recall) here on Substack has revealed the poison of supplements also.

God bless us all. He still provides, protects & Jesus who He sent, came once to save, and is coming back to judge. Those who destroyed instead of stewarded this planet have a toasty eternity. Jesus said as he entered into ministry to set up those to spread His Gospel … repent for the kingdom of heaven is near. All the prophecy has mostly come, but the antisemitism & wars/rumors of wars right now are some of the last. And then a millennium of how this planet was meant to be. 👍

larsetom1's avatar

I noticed that the Marine Plasma cost $50 for 30 ampules or for a month's worth of doses. That adds up...

Don's avatar

MEANWHILE:

“Bill Gates Releases Hundreds of Millions of Bacteria-Infected Mosquitoes Across Colombia”

https://slaynews.com/bill-gates-releases-hundreds-millions-bacteria-infected-mosquitoes-colombia/

When is someone going to *DO* something about this psychopath???

Seamus Mahoney's avatar

"Never..." Not until Christ returns and sets up Rulership over (what's left of) humanity....

Don's avatar
4dEdited

"And these will go away into eternal punishment..." Matthew 25:46.

So there's that consolation!

Yal NA's avatar

Even if we can absorb it it isnt absorbed at the rate it is good for us often. Take potassium. Im often running low but if i supplement it spikes into my tissues but soon my kidneys excrete it quickly because of the spike. If i drink coconutwater or eat a banana or potatoe i will keep the potassium without urinating it out. So unless dangerously low and something must be done quickly vitamins embedded in food matrix is better.

Rob (c137)'s avatar

The Analemma wand is snake oil placebo IMHO.

Cowan and others are great at challenging orthodoxy but are poor at testing their own beliefs.

"Charged water, made each morning with the Analemma wand."

I've asked him to do a blind test which is easy to do.

His wife, etc could charge or not charge a batch of water and let him tell if it's charged or not. After some time of writing down this, the results can be checked with what the wife wrote down.

But he won't do it and that's fine but it's no different than having placebo effects from taking vitamins or low deterium water (another untested obsession of his).

Bob Bichen's avatar

I have to agree that of all that he mentioned, that one stood out for me as the one I'm most skeptical of. However, our understanding of water is not complete. It has highly unusual properties and I do believe that it can, for lack of a better word, have some sort of "memory."

Horsea T.'s avatar

While I'm here, I want to put a bad word in for "snake oil" meaning "phony & useless". Snake oil contains important nutrients. (Look it up. I read passing reference to this in Paul Pitchford's book, though he did not go into detail.) In other words, snake oil is not "snake oil".

Rob (c137)'s avatar

Yep, I could've used a better term.

Instead-

The Analemma water wand runs on hokium. 😂

Ron Greenstein's avatar

I recall Cowan's interview of one of the founders of the wand. If i recall, he described the many tests and studies over a period years, and the findings were very positive from using the "wanded" water.

Tom Rutkowski's avatar

If you are eating a proper human diet, you don't need supplements. people should spend more time researching anthropology.

Don't eat anything that wasn't available 12,000 years ago.

we have zero control over environmental toxins forced on us, but we certainly have control over everything we put in our mouths or on our bodies.

I love Dr. Cowan, but I can't figure out why he feels he needs the supplements he does take.

INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

I read one of his books, interesting, but still a doctor with a syringe, too. I think everyone is unique, and buying stuff that others need may not even be beneficial to you. I think everyone has to find out for themselves, what is good. Some say Dmso is garbage, but it helped me with a returning headache and cramps in my legs. Some vet found out that vanadium lowers blood sugar and it works for me. This does not mean it is going to work for others!

The book from Dr. Price, written almost 100 years ago, about eating the food your ancestors eat, sounds true to me. It is when all these fast foods and chemical additives started, that more and more people got weird sicknesses. Grow your own garden, even a window box grows some lettuce and a tomato! And stop going to McD and the likes.

Ron Greenstein's avatar

It is important to keep in mind the notion of "It works," that can mean and indicate many things. When considering inconvenient or uncomfortable "symptoms", aka "conditions", one may think that "it works" is that the symptom is being managed, suppressed, tamed (allopathic), and has lessened the discomfort or inconvenience. Results can be short term relief but with long term unresolved dysfunction. The big picture has more questions than answers.

INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

Absolutely. But I think to really find the ground cause of a sickness is almost impossible, no matter which system is used. A broken bone is easy. But what causes a headache? To my surprise, mine seems to be related to the air pressure, I still get an uneasy feeling (but no longer the migraine type headache) when the pressure is dropping - when thunderstorms are approaching.

Ron Greenstein's avatar

I think our mind-bodies receive coded messages from the environment and our sub-conscious mind. The messages may be more or less, mental/emotional, energetic, and/or physical.

MJ's avatar

Total nonsense.. sorry but that gamble was extensively tried AND the LEVEL of VitC that a GOAT [our size and closest mother's milk] PRODUCES in its own BODY won't be reached with just FOOD in HUMANS... PRIMATES, guinea pigs and fruit bats LOST THAT ABILITY so supplementing is NEEDED for ordinary humans... every other member of the animal kingdom has that ability to some extent...

2ndly.........

FOR PREGNANT MOMMAS the NEED is MUCH HIGHER ...particularly as BABY GROWS and MOMMA's body prepares for delivery stretching.. vitC is needed for proper formation of COLLAGEN --which we are mostly made of... C puts the needed twists in the helices involved by hydroxylation and some portion of the Vit C is exhausted/destroyed ---not just recycled like other antioxidants....

Dr F.R.Klenner demonstrated that WITH added

5g/day [1st trimester], 10g/da [2nd trimester] 15g/da [3rd trimester]

there were ZERO MISCARRIAGES, ZERO birth defects, ZERO postpartum hemorrhages, SHORTER LABORS... published 323 CONSECUTIVE OFFICE CASES in a Nutrition journal....

3rdly..............

In a health crisis, that goat can RAMP UP PRODUCTION by a FACTOR of TEN... 100g in a day

ttyl

INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

why is this only in the last 50 years though? before the production of synthetic stuff it seems people lived on as well. But if you or anyone else wants to take it, absolutely do so.

MJ's avatar

Wow do I disagree on that inuendo that prior to ''In the last 50years'' that ''people lived on as well'''....

Instead....

COMMONLY there was:

DEATH in CHILDBIRTH from hemorrhaging... and miscarriages... nor was labor less painful

which was NOT ''LIVING ON WELL''..imo....

In fact, a pregnant momma who accedes to her obstetrician's ban on high-dosing vitC, is guilty of child-endangerment, don't you acknowledge she has a duty to disobey.... ttyl

Roy Whenary's avatar

But most vitamins and minerals that I buy come from foodstuffs - not petro-chemicals.

SuzyF's avatar

Thank you so much for this information!! Since reading your articles on minerals, I've found Sea of Cortez (probably poluted, but what isn't) minerals I can add to my garden soil. I've added it to all my garden boxes this year and hope we can uptake minerals this way. I'm on the fence about supplements. I see a naturopath, who "prescribes" well sourced supplements, but they are expensive and I wonder if they are really working. I'm taking several right now to get through a rough patch - fatigue, mild depression. One day soon I will wean down and see what happens. I eat alot of fermented foods and recently made chicken liver pate (from pastured chickens I buy from a farm less than 2 miles from me) and am eating that 2-3 times a week. I buy raw milk when I can and locally raised grass fed beef. I eat WELL!! We rotate our garden crops and build up the soil each year so the food I grow is good. I do very much appreciate all I've learned from you! Thank you!

Leynia's avatar

Sounds nice academically. Real-world application, where does one get this stuff? I have never seen them in all the coops and wellness departments I have visited.

舞原詩音 | Cross‑Cultural Writer's avatar

What stayed with me here is the distinction between replenishing a missing compound and restoring a living context.

The five bottles are interesting, but the sun, earth, cold water, and physical stress may be the more provocative part. They do not scale neatly as products. That alone makes them harder for the industry to explain — and easier for the body to recognize.

Anna's avatar

I asked for more on Thomas Cowan and you delivered!

https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/bacteria-inc-1949/comment/266046778?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=pfhz4

Thank you! I have my weekend reading all set!

Kate's avatar

Yup, supplements for the 1% or the seriously bougie - the demographic focus of most of Cowan's medical practice...I think it's the easy assumption of this article, born of economic privilege (?), that anyone with a brain in their head (and a wad of dough in their pocket?) would of course realize the supplement scam and act appropriately....or maybe it's the complete indifference to the fact that a large number of people are having on helluva time putting food of any kind on the table right now

hey let'em eat plasma water and shilajit...