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HatariMama's avatar

Looking forward to watching this one! My mother (a Boomer) told me to never have children. Aside from this feeling like a direct insult, I didn’t want children (or so I thought) Then, by Grace, I had two children in my 30s. I wonder how many other kids in my generation were told it was better to work and travel than to have beautiful babies.

Maureen Hanf's avatar

I suspect many. My conservative mother always told me to avoid having a family and to just focus on me. But I’m the boomer (almost genx) and she was the silent gen. I heard many times as only child how large families were too much to deal with and she stood on her own experience as being next to the youngest of a family of 8. My dad would chime in also. He only ever had one older brother, but apparently didn’t enjoy it that much as he was always supporting my mother’s arguments.

I myself for many years wanted to wait until everything was ‘perfect.’ Until I got to my late thirties and realized time was almost gone. So now at 60, I have two grown sons, on the spectrum the both of them, but they’re here and the world is a brighter place for it.

Virginia Heick's avatar

Your mom was brainwashed- as SO MANY have been over the years..

Thanks to GOD's GRACE, you had children ~ 🙏

As you know,

children are a gift from GOD;

and YES, they require TONS of WORK!

But, it is joyful work when you feel your LOVE for them ~ 💖💖💖

AND - they are worth every, single, moment of that hard work.

It comes back to you in spades.

In Oct. 2021, I lost my husband to esophageal cancer.

Our identical twin sons, whom I love more than life itself;

have been here for me - ever since my husband died.

and have saved our property and our home.

If you don't have children;

you have nothing.

Loretta's avatar

My thoughts exactly. You can't have children if you are self centered. A lot of all this is 'self centered' now days. Look what happens when they adopt a puppy. Not even a year old and they don't have time, because the cute is gone and they don't want to work on anything that isn't cute. I think children are gifts from God and he said to go and multiply the earth. Family is from heaven. God bless you and yours.

HatariMama's avatar

Wonderful mothers testimonies! Much love to you all 💕

Caroline Kemball's avatar

I did. My entire family pushed the "enjoy your life while you can" although I couldn't see any joy without a family but shut my mouth. Also, we were originally working class and my ten cousins and myself were pushed into studying to masters degree. I was 29 when I finished. A few years work seemed appropriate. That took me into my mid 30s. Then the fertility problems hit. I used to envy desperately women who d had their kids in their teens and twenties.

larsetom1's avatar

I would say that the facts laid in this article make a stronger argument against abortion than the moral (conservative Christian) one - human extinction.

Caroline Kemball's avatar

To me, life is absolutely sacred.ivf is particularly terrible in the sense that un cases of failure people are left feeling guilty. Many times, but doctors don't tell you, one embryo dies and contractions occur that takes the growing baby away too. It is hugely traumatic.

Caroline Kemball's avatar

I would add that freezing embryos weakens the probability they will come to live. In other words, unsurprisingly, the procedure damages your embryos. My second child is issued from this procedure and she suffers from both physical and mental disorders, some that aren't diagnosed. And the list goes on. There has been a huge IVF pandemic from the 90s onwards. I should think it has contributed to producing autism or similar. ICSI is a common procedure. It bypasses a very important stage in embryonic development, it messes up with it. We just go ahead with things without bothering about the outcomes.

Hannah's avatar

It’s not really voluntary childlessness if it’s under duress, but earlier comments are correct that motherhood has been a very raw deal for many women. SO MANY THINGS could be improved. Have to keep our eye on possibilities.

Virginia Stoner's avatar

These days it is hard for a young person to support themselves, much less children! That has really been true for a long time, but it seems worse now than ever.

Jeremiad's avatar

A raw deal? How so? Where do you come up with the term "many", which implies over 50%.

Loretta's avatar

you commented on the wrong statement

Kayli's avatar

I really respect James Corbett.

Gecko1's avatar

Corbett is sketchy:).

Kayli's avatar

Thanks for the link - I read about half and it definitely got me thinking. I wonder if his views have evolved though in the last ten years?

Susan Creed's avatar

I have too, always. But I’m having to reconsider: I recently head that he has never talked about the Judy Wood research/theory of the possibility of a DEW attack and I simply couldn’t believe it. However, having searched his website, it seems to be true! Why would he not investigate such a plausible theory? 🤷🏼‍♀️

Rob (c137)'s avatar

I'm not against people having children but this decline is not a bad thing.

Remember we feared forced population control? I'm fine with voluntary natural reduction in birth rate.

With all the crying about AI taking jobs, do we really need more workers?

Also, it's not just economic....

Thankfully, women aren't coerced into having kids like they used to. If they want to be a mother, that's their choice now instead of the moronic bullshit society pulled on them.

Ellen from Endwell's avatar

The problem is that social security systems are based on a workforce continuing to pay in, because governments have not set aside and protected the social security funds that generations of workers were required by these governments to pay in to fund their retirements (not to mention health care). That problem becomes larger if the size of the workforce is shrinking because you have a smaller number of people paying in to fund the larger generations that preceded them.

To meet these financial obligations, governments are printing money like it's going out of style. In the US the deficit is almost a straight upward line and the national debt obligation is coming close to being impossible to pay, meaning the country is essentially bankrupt. This money printing affects citizens because it creates inflation, devalues the currency, and decreases the value of people's paychecks and savings. Which is why so many people are investing in gold, silver, land, cryptocurrency, or other hard assets that retain value.

This is now a massive crisis and leading towards economic and social collapse in the US and Europe. Once a country collapses, we are usually talking civil war. This is why governments are moving to institute censorship and other forms of fascist controls, and building prisons (the ICE facilities are easily repurposed in the US, for example). So it is in fact a dire situation driven by this population collapse.

This is why the oligarchs have invested in underground bunkers, enormous yachts, and mobile homes. They are looking at how they can escape and survive whatever happens.

Rob (c137)'s avatar

That's because we funnel budgets into things that waste even bigger sums of money, like the military industrial complex and corporate welfare. Most corporations pay less% in taxes than you or I do.

The stock market extracts wealth from all of us and funnels it up to the already wealthy too.

Anyway, if unemployment is already very high in most nations…. What jobs will the next generations get? They'll also be on social security without much payments.

Ellen from Endwell's avatar

Have to agree that this came about for those reasons.

Imho we have to restructure societies to go back to basics -- households and communities that produce the essentials of life.

We have been working slaves, our labor used to enrich other people at the top of the pyramid while we think we have free agency when we never really have. One big ponzi scheme. But we didn't know any different. I'm a fan of EF Schumacher's Small is Beautiful.

Donna's avatar

This! ^^^

Social Security is already making adjustments to compensate, such as raising the retirement age. Even so, those who are paying attention can see that it may not be around to get them through their old age, and can start now getting an alternative retirement strategy in place. SS is already not enough to cover basic expenses for many of us.

I had to start collecting Social Security retirement at 62 while caring for my elderly mother since I could not simultaneously work a paying job. Now that she has passed and inflation has ballooned, that monthly benefit is not enough to keep me in my home. So I've had to go back to work. And it was not easy or fast finding a place that wanted to hire a worn out "old" woman who had not been in the workforce for a decade! I finally landed on a temp agency, which so far is working out well. (Once I got in the door, my old school work ethic was appreciated and I now have consistent jobs available to choose from.)

We were already growing and preserving some food and tending a few laying hens, and we do as many repairs etc. as we are physically able around the house. We don't have children to help out either, so we plan accordingly, maintain a good relationship with the neighbors, and do the best we can. We won't be jumping off the roof, and will be quite satisfied to age in place and move along peacefully when our self-propelled time on this planet is up.

Ellen from Endwell's avatar

Right on, Donna! I'm now getting into all the prepper stuff - how to make soap, candles etc, putting by water and food, and all that. Had the power go out for three days in the winter and that was a wake-up call. Also dealing with the SS issue. Funny how the retirement age keeps changing, people used to retire at 55, has kept getting later and later. But now they're going to replace us with AI -- ha!

Donna's avatar

Good on you! Being prepared is a good idea even if no SHTF situation ever happens, because you will have sustenance stored up at today's prices that may see you through more expensive times ahead.

I don't believe AI will replace all workers. AI is great for some things, but it isn't actually "intelligent," IMHO. (It's also not any better than its programming/programmer.) It is simply waaaaay faster at calculating and following instructions than we are. But it cannot tell fact from fiction, it can only ingest content indiscriminately (within its programming) and integrate what it finds (or is given) into its "knowledge" base and calculations. So I'm thinking that as different companies try to put AI into use replacing humans who have to use intellectual discernment in their jobs, it will not yield consistent results. After all, there are no standard markers across all internet content signifying whether it is real world factual data or a made up story, so how would AI know the difference? Sure it could search key words like "novel" or "video" or "game," but that won't always work. Human discernment is still necessary from where I stand. That said, many workers who don't need discernment to do their jobs will likely be replaced. 🤷‍♀️

David Rinker's avatar

"the chief good consists...in choosing what is in accordance with nature and rejecting what is contrary to it...What say Aristotle and the other pupils of Plato? That they call all things in accordance with nature good, and all things contrary to nature bad. True law is right reason in agreement with nature...Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying his human nature, and by reason of this very fact he will suffer the worst penalties." Cicero. "Now the goal of life, happiness, consists...in the natural life or life according to nature" Seneca. Living in accordance with nature is a maxim of Stoicism. Reproduction is the law of nature in all species, plant and animal. Any process or decision to break this law, or interfere with reproduction, will cause us to "suffer the worst penalties." The economic-financial-techno construct extant in the world today is contrary to nature, part of the war on life.

Rob (c137)'s avatar

It's not nature whether to have more reproduction or less.

It's nature when people choose for themselves like mammals do.

In some environments, mammals have a lot of children, in others less.

That's nature.

Not some god or man telling us to multiply.

That's authoritarian.

Donna's avatar

Completely agree.

Jayne Evans's avatar

The time will come again when we measure wealth in children and livestock.

SuzyF's avatar

I just met with a 5 high school classmates, life long friends... We are now in our early 60s. A handful of our combined children don't want to have kids. I hear this over and over. The primary reason- it's too expensive, I'll have to give up my fun, the world is an ugly place... etc. James Corbett is a wise, studied man and I appreciate his thoughtful work! I believe what he says is fact. I used to think big families were a drain on society... That thinking came from my mom. Now I celebrate when I see large families... Esp those who homeschool and don't vaccinate. They give me hope for the future!

An aside...of our combined 34 grandchildren 3 are on the spectrum...and as we all know, economically that drains a system....besides it being horrifically sad.

SuzyF's avatar

Thank you, Mary, I will check that out. I don't watch him often but when I have he's spot on with info I've gotten from other people Seems we are being lied to left and right...pun intended.

Helena Denley's avatar

This is so dire.

I have one teen son. My first child died after reactions to vaccines.

I have these conversations with my son about starting a family in his twenties (mid but potentially earlier) but obviously that depends on his future wife.

I think the current high inflation is challenging, and I agree it feels like purposeful sabotaging from a health perspective and also with women shunning staying home and wanting to find themselves with their paid work.

There needs to be a change with living arrangements - there need to be multiple generations living together to support each other emotionally and financially.

I hope there are more people talking to their teens and encouraging them to start families earlier.

Virginia Heick's avatar

Maybe you should put family before jobs.

Because without a family to love, and love you;

you'll have nothing of meaning,

at the end of your life.

larsetom1's avatar

There are many factors I am sure, but these timelines also seem to coincide with the imposition of neoliberal economic policies making precarity ubiquitous. Also, we see the reemergence of neo-Malthusian ideology (a ruling class ideology) in the form of Paul Ehrlich's bestseller "The Population Bomb" in 1968 which became embedded into the nascent environmental movement.

William Buxton's avatar

The world after COVID I describe as a hellscape , I have spoken to lots of people who regret having children because of the uncertain future ...this is no accident.

The Cosmic Onion's avatar

Mostly good. The data and heartbreak come through clear. But this wolf still smells something hidden deeper than delayed parenthood and bad timing. You don’t get synchronized fertility crashes on every continent without a push from somewhere — chemicals, policy, engineered narratives. The documentary maps the cliff; Corbett hints at the architects. Follow that scent.

King2Savannah's avatar

Yes, of course the reduced birth rates were planned by the elites. Just as they did with abortion to remove not just basic human head count, but to also remove those deemed undesirable in the population. It's eugenics plain and simple.

Now as to the collapsing birth rates, there is no way out of it and world population will go to near zero. At that point, whereas the evil elite / psychopath become easily visible among the population, can their schemes of usury, war, slavery and theft be eliminated. This is ALWAYS the way it has been in human history when evil can no longer hide carefully among the population.

Secondly, there is no subsidy or program or any other modern socialized program that will reverse the situation. Stealing money from the productive to build a new program, only results in more debt issued with the income stream of the productive used to pay the usury. What it does not result in, is creating fertile conditions for sentient and intelligent beings to procreate. The reason is because such a 'solution' is fake. It is fake because it does not address the root problem. It only applies a fresh coat of paint over the mold and rust in the structure of society itself, and therefore by its nature of being simply a veneer, it cannot fix what it is unwilling to confront.

The potential for human existence has reached it's 'mouse utopia' moment, where reality of a completely toxic psychological and economic environment meets the 'desire collapse' and the colony goes extinct. There is ZERO point to bringing any children into this world we have created, as to do so condemns that new life to an existence of slavery, taxes, debt, totalitarian control by psychopaths, violence, fear, war and theft. These conditions are unsuitable for procreation and the math clearly shows it.

There is only one way out of this and such path will never be chosen for a very simple reason. To do so means the complete obliteration of the system that has been in place for well on 5,000 years, right along with the bloodlines that perpetuate it to their own benefit.

Only when this threat is removed completely, will the environmental toxicity in all respects, fade to history. The green shoots of optimism, sperm counts, egg viability and economic / creative opportunity will then become visible and actionable.

Til that happens, good night and good luck humanity.

You are finished, because you have allowed evil to flourish amongst you and now it is eating your future.

You have exactly what you deserve, as you deserve exactly that which you allow.

Have fun ;-)

Simone Streeter's avatar

Interesting research and statistics that I found helpful to clarify what is happening. Thank you. In a nutshell, to me, it is greed that has led society to this pass, and our grief is understandable. There is a clear progression from ancient societies to the current day in the form that families and child responsibility has taken, and it has slowly but consistently favored the inheritance of material wealth. I think that may have hit a sweet spot, where the safety and security and authority of mothers was still a balancing priority, but we passed that a while back. FYI, I'm reading "Ancient Society" by Lewis Henry Morgan, 1877, at the moment, hence this perspective.

The Truth Contract's avatar

Great review of a great documentary. Demographics underpins economics - and the current economic model (particularly the debt) just cannot withstand the baked in demographic decline. Comments that a smaller population is a good thing clearly dont understand economics - and the (unpayable) bill that future populations will have to deal with. At TTC we have also looked at all of the issues James Corbett raised in our SpermEggGeddon special. Demographics is THE existential crisis that few understand and even fewer want to discuss. I suspect that this is also a censored topic.

William Buxton's avatar

The agenda is no longer about money , it's about planet protection, and species decline.

Caroline Kemball's avatar

All I ever wished for was a family in my twenties. But no one in my country was interested. When I worked in Norway I found people having their first kid age 21. But then all men were married. I married my closest male friend. It was a rollercoaster of IVF that lasted ten years and produced three kids, one life threatening pregnancy and abortion, lots of trauma, egg donors, guilt, an overwhelming sense of responsibility to life, a depression and psychosis. I would definitely recommend people have their kids while young and strong. My marriage was a complete scam and disaster.

William Buxton's avatar

Many of my daughter friends here in the UK have fertility issues, and some of the women in my wife's family, too numerous to list here .

It's impossible for all these issues to be coincidence.