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Allen's avatar

To hang one’s hat on the lab-leak theory and the grandiose narrative of the Covid Pandemic requires contorted mental gymnastics and a blind faith in the esoteric. Legitimizing the lab-leak theory is a backdoor way of legitimizing the false claim of a global pandemic.

So-called Covid skeptics buying into aspects of the Covid myth creates a situation in which “dissident movement” resources are channeled into conferences and investigations where attention is fixed—and fixated—on esoteric explanations that ultimately prop up the overall pandemic narrative. If they were truly dissidents, they would be collaborating with truth-tellers to prove the demonstrable forensics of the fraud that defines the Covid enterprise.

The lab-leak theory reinforces the idea that “the virus” is a grave problem that needs to be solved rather than a fear-based control mechanism. It bolsters the notion that a “deadly” man-made, “novel” virus caused an “unprecedented medical emergency” for which a raft of invasive policies—including the worldwide suspension of basic civil liberties—would become justified.

A further but related result of focusing on the “lab-leak” conjecture is that it shores up the “deadly novel virus suddenly appeared” narrative, which provides the rationale for the biosecurity complex to siphon trillions from taxpayers through the aptly named “pandemic preparedness” industry.

Another consequence of accepting the lab-leak supposition is to distract attention from how the perception of a pandemic/mass panic was conjured with staged Hollywood productions, doomsday models, and the meaningless PCR tests that fraudulently manufactured cases and spuriously attributed deaths from other causes to Covid.

But perhaps the biggest problem with accepting and promoting the lab-leak theory is that it reifies the Big Lie that there ever was a “pandemic” caused by a “unique viral pathogen” in the spring of 2020. In so doing, the theory hides the crimes that were committed in the hospitals and nursing homes and provides cover for the criminals who designed and executed this top-down operation.

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biologyphenom's avatar

One of the main reasons the world's only official COVID inquiry to reveal the truth to the lockdown in Scotland has been ignored by media INCLUDING popular covid sceptic/freedom advocates over the last 2 years is because it obliterates the notion there was ever any lab leak threat. https://biologyphenom.substack.com/p/scottish-covid-19-inquiryclosing I am very sad to say despite these inquires still ONGOING the 'alt' interest is non existent. The UK 'whitewash' has also unveiled so much damning evidence going under the radar. Bizarrely asking Denis Rancourt to help highlight this evidence resulted in me being blocked. I'm at a loss to explain that one!

https://biologyphenom.substack.com/p/newuk-covid-19-inquiry28-jul-2025

https://biologyphenom.substack.com/p/newuk-covid-19-inquiry30-jul-2025-69a

https://biologyphenom.substack.com/p/newuk-covid-19-inquiry30-jul-2025-da5

https://biologyphenom.substack.com/p/newuk-covid-19-inquiry30-jul-2025

https://biologyphenom.substack.com/p/newuk-covid-19-inquiry16-jul-2025

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henjin's avatar

All the posts you linked have over 10 likes. The leading COVID origins researchers are lucky to get 1 like for their blog posts. The most recent posts by Adrian Jones, breakfast_dogs, and Gilles Demaneuf all have 0 or 1 likes.

I'm lucky to even get my website indexed by Google, even though I'm the main person who has shown why the mathematician from Hamburg is wrong, and I'm possibly also the main person who has shown why Rancourt is wrong, and why Housatonic is wrong.

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The Blue Sky Maiden's avatar

Can you link why Rancourt is wrong or briefly give overview, thanks

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henjin's avatar

See here: https://sars2.net/nopandemic.html, https://sars2.net/nopandemic2.html#Denis_Rancourt_Did_over_half_of_death_certificates_for_COVID_refer_to_bacterial_pneumonia, https://x.com/search?q=from%3Ahenjin256+to:denisrancourt&f=live, https://sars2.net/czech.html#Daily_deaths_and_vaccine_doses_by_age_group.

One problem with his method of temporally correlating spikes in excess deaths with rollout of vaccine doses is that the spikes in excess deaths occured around the same time in all ages, but vaccine doses were rolled out earlier to older age groups and later to younger age groups.

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

Damn, Allen! What an excellent, succinct comment that says it all. Thank you.

I might only add that the "lab leak" theory lends itself to an accusation of foreign enemy involvement. In this case, China. IMO, this is also key. It allowed Trump to marshal the U.S. DOD in developing a "countermeasure." "Countermeasure" is a military term for substances used against biological weapons. The irony is that one was created.

I'll say again, the "vaccine" was not created for "the virus." "The virus" was created for the "vaccine."

Thanks again!

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Paramaniac's avatar

There is one explanation that unifies everything we know now about Covid.

That it never existed.

That all the deaths were directly, or indirectly, iatrogenic.

That all vaccine, to cure an imaginary virus, has probably killed many more.

The problem though, is the motive behind it all.

No one, it seems, can contemplate that there wasn’t some sort of conspiracy or manipulation behind it.

But it’s here where they are wrong, Covid 19 WAS NOT a conspiracy.

Yes, the apparent coordination and synchronicity of events are compelling but it is not as it seems.

The real explanation is that the medical profession, fuelled by their absolute faith in the PCR, suffered a collective hysteria that saw them go on a gigantic killing spree in the tragically mistaken belief that they could ‘cure’ this imaginary illness.

The collective hysteria is more accurately called a Mass Psychosis outbreak. Countless previous outbreaks, usually localised, have occurred many times before, the most famous and well known being the medieval witch trials.

Although this phenomenon is well known, and most people recognise that it is indeed real, the belief that it could occur in the medical profession is barely entertained.

Yet a Mass Psychosis outbreak, is actually the unifying theory, explaining the deaths, the apparent coordination and explains the head scratching problem of why some areas experienced severe death while other areas close by were untouched as noted by Denis Rancourt.

Because in a Mass Psychosis outbreak there are hot, warm and cold spots, exactly as occurred during the medieval witch trials.Some European countries became murderously insane whilst other countries close by were virtually unaffected.

For the REAL explanation of Covid go to Paramaniac.substack.com

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Louise Bet Leary's avatar

Wow! You are making wild, inaccurate assumptions - all based on false premises and faulty logic.

There is nothing more important than understanding the origin of the SARS2 virus. For reasons you haven’t even began to consider. Instead, you are making up fallacious, disingenuous, excuses that do not represent yours, or anyone else’s position, much less their call to action.

Knowing how the virus came to be in this world - is the ultimate truth. That is the question that is in contention. When that is known, everything else is revealed and/or exposed.

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Allen's avatar

Do you have any evidence for anything or just bizarre hyperbole?

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Ellen's avatar

These seem credible explanations of something existing ~ https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/where-did-covid-19-come-from-and?utm_source=publication-search

https://merylnass.substack.com/p/is-the-virus-real

(And my own experience, please see the comment I left about having had covid / positive rapid test (with saliva), no shots, correlating with time and exposure, feeling unnatural, and very real)

Respectfully, and forgive slow replies ...

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Allen's avatar

Sorry but none of that even comes close to providing evidence for anything.

Both articles are fraught with logical fallacies and implied assumptions.

Your experience also proves nothing of the sort and antigen tests are also not reliable for testing anything.

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Louise Bet Leary's avatar

What specifically are you referring to as hyperbole? You’ll need to provide some rationale to help explain your thought process - because your logic, is clearly broken if you believe the origin of the virus is of little, or no importance.

And what evidence are you asking me to provide you? Again, it’s not self evident where your thinking is at, for your response to be “show me the evidence” based on my last comment.

I’m genuinely trying to understand the differences in outlooks, so to help bridge any misunderstanding, but your position seems assumption-laden and you know why they tell us never to assume. Because it makes an ass of u and me.

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Diane's avatar

You should read the article fully, maybe twice and let it sink in. Then maybe you won't accuse people of 'wild, inaccurate assumptions'. I suggest you look at some substacks by Sasha Latypova and Jamie Andrews and there are a heap more all very sceptical of any 'virus' being unleashed. Read, read read and think.

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RayDarby's avatar

Adding kooks to the party just makes the party more bizarre. None of this nonsense is supported by anything

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Louise Bet Leary's avatar

Yes, they are wildly inaccurate assumptions — and here lies the problem with such a fallacy - it’s nearly impossible to detangle. The confusion has already set in like it’s been baked into the cake — so trying to explain to you their straw man argument - will no doubt, fall on deaf ears.

They are making no claim, nor putting forward a hypothesis for us to judge and critique. They haven’t proven anything they say is true.

The virus was a lab spill. They happen more often than you realize. Jamie & co is welcome to prove otherwise but he hasn’t. He hasn’t proven a thing, ever, at all.

His only explanation, is that ‘everyone else’ is lying. And no, most people are not lying. Jamie is the liar.

Do you think understanding what went wrong in the last 5 years can be explained by simply saying “XYZ is a liar”?

Who lied? What was the lie? Why did they lie? And why don’t they debate a real life person who they say is one of these liars. They’re assuming what other people think. And they’ve got it completely wrong.

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Esme N's avatar

it seems to me that if a virus exists and it is a 'lab spill', then that is the result of individuals working for vested interests (very important) to create problems (so called man made miniscule particles floating around in the air ready to attack unsuspecting victims), to illicit a reaction (a cascade of fear pushed by other vested interested), for which a solution is ready and waiting to be provided (yet again for the benefit of more vested interests).

and herein lies the issue, whether these particles exist or not, and until mankind gets its head around this fact and stops sacrificing itself upon the altar of these vested interests, (of which there are multitude), then we will continue to be exploited, controlled, murdered en masse and immiserated.

the entities doing this are super intelligent and have a goal in mind for our direction. its been going on for millenia and this virus stuff is only a small part of the armoury at their disposal. getting mired in the question of needing to know where this so called virus came from is basically missing the point. the notion of such a particle is in itself enough to drive a whole industry of vested interest to keep us submitting to their game.

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Diane's avatar

I don’t believe you have engaged in good faith with any ‘no virus’ proponents, far less studied and understood their experiments. You are still trapped in a virus mindset and yes it takes time to see through it but the proof is the proof. No virus has ever been proven to exist. What causes illnesses? ‘We don’t know’ is the answer. We don’t know, only guess.

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biologyphenom's avatar

The ultimate truth as evidenced from official testimony under oath is regardless of the threat from ''the virus'' the restrictions were far more deadly without which there would have been no pandemic claim at all and what came after eg- mRNA

https://biologyphenom.substack.com/p/exclusivecovid-19-inquries-covid

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Louise Bet Leary's avatar

Yes of course. And that’s the point. The response was completely wrong & therefore deadly. Hence the excess deaths >2021. That said, those who died 3 weeks either side of April 6th 2020, died from the virus infection. And there was never anything anybody could have done to prevent/save those lives. Except of course, to have not engineered the virus in the first place. That’s why these virus deniers are our worst enemy. They’re subverting us from ever getting justice.

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Esme N's avatar

the real justice needed here is to stop the attach on mankind. its bigger than whether there is a virus or not.

we are getting to the point where we could be compelled to take certain medications or medical interventions in the name of the existence of these things based on the likely false premise that if we do not we will be 'a danger to others'.

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john herzog's avatar

I knew immediately it was a con. A virus that looked like Sputnik had to be a terror tool to frighten the low IQ folks and bring the Cold War to the table. Trump had to be taken out and transportation gathering the middle class had to be extinguished. As a physician, I realized medically it made no sense. I also understood paying the hospitals to call everything C and pay ransom was evil. John Hopkins,death meter was satanic along with pharma and Democrats. I got called out when I claimed there is no virus to everyone.

Thanks for your article master class work.

Dear Lord, please strike out all perpetrators slowly

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Mark of Haerefordscir M.I.'s avatar

It fooled a lot of high IQ folks as well. What was missing was common sense and critical thinking. Neither are key features of elite education.

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Ritaritabobita's avatar

Thanks, it is always a concern when someone begins calling a group of people “low IQ”. Prejudice and arrogance are such huge problems for humanity, a big part of how all this is justified and implemented.

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Birgit Sjölander's avatar

You are right every healthy baby has exactly the same amount of nerv connections att birth that will be pruned by parents and society.

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john herzog's avatar

I’ll go for the gullible people incapable of critical thinking. They’re also very susceptible to propaganda and psyops

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TomNearBoston's avatar

I don't disagree, but "gullible" is still a bit too broad; lets be more specific. The UK performer Darren Brown has made a living for decades producing TV shows in which he manipulates people into doing shocking things. Along the way he screens out those who don't demonstrate a key trait -- compliance with authority.

Automatically surrendering your own God-given discernment to worldly bosses -- whether crowned, robed, or lab-coated-- does not lead to good outcomes.

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peter tomkinson's avatar

Commonsense isn't (common).

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john herzog's avatar

The sheep will be culled. check out virus mania by Sam Bailey. Every medical student should have to read it. You don’t think for one second big business would ever try to take advantage of us right.

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Cellularly Erased's avatar

It has always irritated me that people see IQ as a narrow set of qualities. As someone who has attained highly respected results academically, I have always questioned that this is the complete picture. I continually find a rich and varied 'intelligence" in very different people as I get older.

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Charla Star's avatar

While I have only a slightly higher than ‘average’ IQ, I have functioned for most of my life on a very highly developed level of intuition.

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Charla Star's avatar

I have functioned for most of my life an a highly developed level of intuition.

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Mags4freedom's avatar

Trumps in on it. He's pushing digital IDs and Stable Coin. He's an actor just like the rest of them

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Elaine Seinfeld's avatar

he's a fucking LIZARD

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john herzog's avatar

Chuck Schumer and Bill Gates have actually turned into lizards look at the SOBs. Pelosi well on her way to reptilian molting

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

I guess there is no flu virus either. Over 100 years of medical fraud? How can that be?

If you believe that life began as simple amino acids combining and reacting to the sun and water and lightening, then as it evolved, viruses came first? Then simple one cell animals and etc. No?

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peter tomkinson's avatar

Go see if you can find a 'virus'. Like the claims for genetic code used to identify a 'virus', they all live in a computer code and in people's minds, not is the reality.

Do NOT search for evidence to prove wrong that a 'virus' is real, challenge instead all the evidence Claiming that they do. Those making the Claim must provide the evidence that supports it - otherwise it fails.

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john herzog's avatar

There’s no picture of it and no genetic sequence. The PCR test is complete fraud. The whole world is lying.

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peter tomkinson's avatar

The RT-PCR is a laboratory tool and like all tools it has its limitations. Kary Mullis who developed it said clearly it is NOT a Clinical Diagnostic test and by design can never be. It was not the tool that was at fault it was the fraudulent misuse of it that was.

To use PCR you MUST know what you are looking for and how it will be identified. So no 'virus' means cannot be seen using PCR. So find the 'virus' and some 40 years afterwards I am still looking for the 'HIV' a Dr Gallo, with Fauci beside him, claimed to identify as the agent, the bug, causing AIDS. Lifestyle, drugs and fear, that is the master of stress, killed.

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john herzog's avatar

Poor Kary looking into his death, lets you know he was taken out with a bioweapon. The timing looks perfect. He didn’t give a shit about what the government said

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BunnyH's avatar

I thought that the so-called remedy AZT killed them

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peter tomkinson's avatar

quote from above. 'Lifestyle, drugs and fear,...' killed them. AZT was one of those drugs ( a deadly chemo development repurposed) along with others pumped into bodies largely destroyed by a diet of social chemicals, booze, sex and little sleep, poor quality if any proper food, or combinations of these.

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Arnieus's avatar

The PCR test, which tested fruit positive, was needed to convince the peeps that non-symptomatic contagion was real. This justified the lockdowns, masks, distancing etc. which in turn covered for $7 trillion conjured from nothing to inject into a failing economy. I wish Elon would figure out where all that went. $1200 to US households is a fairly small part. Much probably went to Ukraine for the planned NATO war with Russia.

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peter tomkinson's avatar

Very few people seem to have any idea of how the PCR functions and of its requirements to function and its limitations. Ever fewer bothered to check Drosten's claims that he had modified it to doi what he claimed - all computer code I think.

The now almost completely integrated world economy, certain the US$ connected ones have been hanging over the cliff edge of collapse now for decades. 2007/'8 was part of the ongoing attempts to stop it dying completely as was all the other financial trickery.

Any and every means possible is being used to inject more liquidity into economies because so much of it is inflating rapidly into next to nothing and ever increasing amounts wealth are being tied up in fewer and fewer hands as it inevitably must be in a capital accumulation financial system.

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Birgit Sjölander's avatar

Well said!

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Phil Davis's avatar

I hope you never get bitten by a rabid animal because you'll deny you have the rabies virus until the day you die. Oh, every childhood disease is a virus, not to mention leprosy, shingles, and a plethora of other common known diseases. Geez, dude, start thinking.

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peter tomkinson's avatar

Do you have evidence to support your claims. I do. Without evidence the claim fails remember.

Do you apply the scientific method to what you believe to be true? Many don't.

After assembling the info that supports your theory the next step is to do your best to disprove it. If it still stands up then maybe, just maybe, you have found a truth which you then put out there for others to try to disprove. When other cannot disprove your theory only then can you say it is probably true - nothing is ever definitive beyond birth and death.

Correlation does NOT prove causation. Virologists assume that the death of cells in a lab sample, invitro, is caused by a 'virus' and that this will also occur exactly the same in a living entity like us, invivo. It ALL depends upon presuming Correlation equals Causation when this is absolutely not true.

BTW it would be great if a lot more people did a bit more thinking - do you?

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Phil Davis's avatar

Are you telling us rabbis, measles, and chicken pox don't exist? Is this your argument without evidence? As I stated, people lost their taste. Doctors routinely diagnose illness from symptoms. Big red dots on your face and belly, high fever, that's measles. There's a difference between smallpox, chickenpox, cowpox, and monkeypox because the symptoms are different. We have literally centuries of scientific evidence. We've had centuries of correlation and the EXAcT causation with repeated symptoms. These diseases do not change; chicken pox is still the same, and your mother used to take you to your friend's house if he had chicken pox, so you would get them, guess what, you're infected. Don't tell me the earth is flat, I'm out if you do.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Actually the poxes are notoriously difficult to tell apart.

Just because eg koplik's spots appear on the cheeks of people who have the symptoms associated with 'measles' doesn't mean that the measles expression of detox symptoms is a separate disease caused by a different 'virus'. It means that it's a different expression of detox (through the skin), with different cellular proteins initiating it. It's also never been shown to be caused by a virus entity. The Peebles and Enders 1954 experiments (so not yet centuries) did not show isolation merely cellular activity is some, though not all, of cell cultures which had been stressed with antibiotics etc, in inappropriately controlled or uncontrolled experiments. They were, in fact, unable to induce symptoms in the majority of healthy monkeys they injected and squirted up the nose with their cell culture brew.

Yes, of course, the symptoms of chicken pox exist. They are an important childhood development phase. Not all children exposed to the symptoms get symptoms, but those who do; do not show evidence of a virus nor infection. Of course, the earth isn't flat.

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peter tomkinson's avatar

Rabbis, measels and chicken pox very well do exist, when did I say they do not? But is there clear independently verifiable evidence that they are caused by a specific 'virus' with isolated purified and identified samples derived from people who suffering those specific illnesses?

Symptoms do MOT prove that a 'virus' is the agent that caused an illness, and NEVER confuse Correlation with Causation.

The centuries of evidence you say has accumulated when challenged does not stand up except one on top of the other.

The US Navy conducted the biggest most carefully conducted double blind research into transmission of respiratory illness. They failed to do so.

And I know the earth is round. As I also note you have not offered one dot of evidence just opinions.

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Esme N's avatar

you can carry on believing in viruses, whether they do exist or not doesn't really matter.

what does matter is that 'the system' has a solution for your ills (in whatever form those may be) and its never the most beneficial for you, only for the system. that is what is needed to be brought into the forefront of everyone's consciousness.

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Jo Waller's avatar

No there are no flu viruses, but the body produces many proteins and RNA etc that cause the symptoms of detox mistakenly thought to be from pathogenic entities. It's not fraud on the part of most people, it's misunderstanding. These proteins, micro RNAs and symptoms etc communicate with other organisms in the vicinity about the need to detox- this is misinterpreted as the 'transmission' of disease.

You also do not need pathogenic entities to explain or allow evolution. Bacteria swap genes just by being next to each other etc. https://jowaller.substack.com/p/a-tiny-water-flea-has-31000-genes?utm_source=publication-search

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

So why did they claim that 50% of the known variations of lymphoma which total over 72 have a viral components?

We were told that the RNA injections, reprogram, cellular function, and produce spike proteins . Doesn’t a similar biological process be created by viruses that invade cells.?

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Jo Waller's avatar

Cancers (the body adapting to trauma), of course, contain genetic and protein components mistakenly said to be ‘viral’. HIV components are found in cancer cells but not in the normal surrounding tissue. Are just the cancer cells infected? https://jowaller.substack.com/p/the-importance-of-intellectual-freedom

The messenger RNA injections do not reprogram. If they are translated into protein it will be the so-called ‘spike’ protein (found by stressing cell cultures) that they reversed engineered into mRNA. https://jowaller.substack.com/p/spikes-and-knobs?utm_source=publication-search

Perhaps read these posts first as they answer many questions.

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

The terrain concept may have some validity, but I don’t believe it’s all inclusive. I am wondering if it is being pushed as a legal precedent to beat any lawsuits against the drug manufacturers.

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Jo Waller's avatar

You’ll have to expand. Drug companies are pushing terrain theory, which shows that many of their products are totally unnecessary, because lawsuits would have to prove that viruses exist and cause to disease to prove that drugs had harmed people???

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john herzog's avatar

Before one castigates educate. Check out virus mania by Sam Bailey. It explains it very well. You wouldn’t think big business and pharmacology and the government would ever try to fool us by something we can’t see and terrify us forcing genetic poison on us. They’re trying to kill you.

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Rob Dubya's avatar

Thats a BIG assuption there that we evolved from amino acids. I'm not proclaiming to have any answers as to the genesis of life in this realm, but there is a staggering lack of evidence for macro evolution

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Louise Bet Leary's avatar

It’s not a big assumption, it’s proven science. How can you say there’s a lack of evidence? That makes no sense.

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Rob Dubya's avatar

Evolution is absolutely millions of miles away from proven science. I know they told you that at school, but that was a lie. I remember about 15 years ago having a friendly argument with a JW on the door step. I was arguing the case for evolution, but I had never considered at that point that it could be a lie. But a lie it is. I won't say any more, It'll ruin your research. I dont claim to know the answers, but I have a big problem with those that do.

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Louise Bet Leary's avatar

Yes I know evolution is a lie. We do not come from monkeys. That’s different to the science of genetics.

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Yep!

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Thinkaboutit's avatar

It’s JohnS Hopkins. The word “John” has an “S”.

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Birgit Sjölander's avatar

Trump knew what the game was. They wanted to get ridd of him. He clearly said there will be a vaccine ( Warp speed because there was already one ready at least a year before the 'Covid epidemi ' started.) Had he warned about that , than they would tell everyone he don't care he want to see people dying because the treatment protocol was allready in the pipeline. But he clearly said "it is upp to everyone to take the vax."But as usuall nobody listened. A common fenomenon when people are frightened. He knew what was coming and hoped that more people will understand. What we see now happening with all crazyness is to wake upp people. We have been lied to in so many aspects. You can see it in the actual comments.There are many who have the knowlegde but that knowlegde is no mainstream. Why not? Those in the echelons have enough help from people who gladly do the dirty work in hope to get some advantage. They don' t understand if there is no use anymore for there masters, they will be dumpad like others. We the people have to stay together and start thinking by our self if humanity will survive instead of follow those who promise en easier life and most of all stopp fighting against each other, that is what they want. If you read something you cant agree with, educate yourself do your research before you question, all the answers are to find in internet but there is alot of BS to distract us.

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

How do you know this?

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peter tomkinson's avatar

Commonsense perhaps!! If you started questioning, challenging the narratives 2019 into 2020 it soon became apparent that the whole story was riddled with holes. The Claims lacked evidence and failed too often. When over 200 organisations in over 40 countries when asked to do so FAILED to state clearly that they had or had had a pure sample of a SARS-Cov-2 'virus' isolated from an individual diagnosed with an illness called Covid-19, the game was up.

IQ btw as a supposed measure of intelligence fails because it is culturally biased, ie no IQ measurement is universal.

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Rob Dubya's avatar

It beggars belief that their is anyone left in the world that does not know this. Unfortunately, it seems that 90% insist that the head is more comfortable in the sand, even among the so called 'awake'.

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Sam Vartaka's avatar

Yet no mention of the fact that many people got ill, some with symptoms never previously experienced eg myself, lost voice, 3 days in bed with extreme flu like symptoms in late 2018 and again in 2019. My partner also got very ill which is most unusual for him. So there was something in the air, perhaps sprayed from the sky, which caused a different type of flu. I mention this as many did get an illness that differed in extremity from the usual seasonal flu. Any thoughts Neither of us succumbed to the 'treatment' so avoided the 50 + adjutants in the injection.

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belted radial's avatar

Warning: You asked for thoughts. Apologies in advance.

I was baffled by the early symptom and signs. One of the earliest ones was the account of a nurse who said people would come in and be breathing ok, but suddenly turn blue and "decompensate" and die. Like you I think something was sprayed or distributed or sacrifice cases were made to get panic started.

At first I looked at the symptoms of chemical weapons used by the militaries and eventually came across the recorded talks of James Giordano for students of West Point. He said, "I want to make people sick." Here here and here" The rest of the exercise is the "worried well" reacting which I took to be taking the rapid tests and assuming all illness was "it". After that, as this article says, it was policy implementation and compliance. If you remember, only the earliest cases were dropping dead in the street or smothering in the ER.

The sick people here here and here, don't have to have "it" but "something" which could be aerosoled, microdosed or put on a surface. Ones I remember are Sarin, tabin mustard gases or some new poison they've cooked up. A little speck can kill you. Giordano would rather you be disabled.

The agencies probably weren't just playing around with the testing of biological and chemical and frequency weapons on the public over the years but after 2001 it looks like the race was on for the perfect democide. Wiki does the usual contradicting itself through out, but it names some programs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_biological_weapons_program. The Navy experimented on sailors with beamed radiation from ship antennas back in the day, so they're probably much better at it now.

It could be something transmitted or induced by the people who took the test and/or were inoculated with whatever is in any of the shots they got even before this thing kicked off.

It could have been a test of the flu shot mystery brews. The story goes that each year's flu shots are new and improved to "keep up" with the mutations of the bugaboos from the ducks, pigs and people in Asia and perhaps the signal cases were a test of that system?

My friend's friend who took the shots and got covid afterwards visited him. My friend got deathly sick the next day. The urgent care sent him home because he told them he didn't take the shot. He was too terrified to go to the hospital so he stayed home and ordered himself to breath. He said he felt like his chest and bones were being crushed. For months after he could not taste or smell.

I know other people who lost their voices, and I've heard accounts of people smelling an acrid burning smell before they fell ill. Oddly, the people around them did not get sick and or could not smell the odor.

So what is it? I still don't know. I suspect it is more than one thing because if that one thing fails the whole project falls apart. So watch out for fast food, crowds, stay out of subways, malls, off interstate hiways, look out for unmarked vans with antennas on top. Oh, and people who take a lot of shots and carry smart Phones and/or wear pajamas to work like at hospitals. Maybe we are being bombed to the stone age, just not the way we thought.

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Christoff's avatar

Interesting - I thought I could taste 'burning' for months after the loss of taste & smell.

Before I knew better I took a lateral flow test dished out by my offsprings school and 4 days later started to feel unwell. Started with tiny beads of sweat, loss of taste then a week of fever with fluctuating temperature. Wasn't like any fever I've ever had before. I'd only had limited exposure to the media fear porn but nevertheless a few propaganda images of 'covid victims' struggling had got through making that week into a psychological battle. Your mind can definitely make you ill or feel worse. See Paramaniac.

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Phil Davis's avatar

I agree. That's a huge hole unfilled. It was not the flu either. Everyone lost their sense of taste.

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MoodyP's avatar

Also agree. My wife and I live on a 35ft sailboat w/125 sq ft of space. There is no escape. LOL. We were very isolated throughout all of 2021 and when we did go somewhere (like the grocery store) we went together.

And yet, she became very ill and despite having a complete medical kit, including oxygen, antibiotics, steroids, HCQ, IVM her oxygen level slowly fell and she ultimately ended up in the hospital in a small southern town. They took good care of her. No vent, IV antibiotics, IV Dex, and she was out in 4 days. It took her 6 months to recover enough to be able to walk a mile. Prior to that she could walk 5 with no issues.

Within a few days after her illness she began to get internal tremors and has subsequently been Dx w/early stage PD.

We have been married for 45 years. She might have had a sinus infection 20 years ago. Other than that, she had never been sick.

So something happened. I don’t know what it was and I find the arguments presented here plausible. But if it wasn’t ‘that’ then what was it. And why was the recovery so slow. And why did a possibly devestating neurological condition develop immediately afterwords. All unanswerable questions.

And the final and most vexing question of all.

Given my exposure to her, 24/7, basically breathing each others air, and being exposed to the same environmental conditions, how did I avoid getting sick.

There may not have been a transmissible virus. But there was something. And whatever it was, affected many. As numerous other comments here show.

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peter tomkinson's avatar

Everything we take in by any means is a potential agent of illness. Epigenetics might, only might explain the different between the two of you in living so close. The air, water, food, and the material world we live in and of which we are and integral part of, are not clean and natural now, and these are the vectors that can disrupt the balance within us. see above, and note Geoengineering is a real process being used to manipulate.

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Petra Liverani's avatar

So sorry what happened to your wife ... and yes great mystery what caused it.

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MoodyP's avatar

Hey thanks. Seems like a long time ago now. We were blessed that our location gave us access to a small private community hospital, where all the employees were local people and they seemingly cared more about helping and less about the ‘protocol’. Had we been forced to end up at a hospital in Raleigh or Myrtle Beach we could have had a different outcome.

And yeah it will forever be a mystery. We are in the Great Lakes this summer and will be heading south pretty soon. She has an appointment at the Movement Disorder Clinic at Duke at the end of October. So we need to get somewhere reasonably close by then. Southern VA or Northern NC. But on a boat you never know.

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Petra Liverani's avatar

Good luck with it Moody. Are you familiar with Dr Joe Dispenza? People with PD have had pretty good results. One testimonial I find particularly inspiring is Nancy's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwRR7zdsHRk

I've had significant results doing his meditations with my own condition of lymphoedema. It was always pretty mild but I had to wear a compression sleeve whereas now I don't.

This search link brings up quite a number of links relating to Joe Dispenza and Parkinson's.

https://www.google.com/search?q=parkinsons+disease+dr+joe+dispenza&rlz=1C1XYJR_enAU997AU997&oq=parkinsons+disease+dr+joe+dispenza&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCwgAEEUYChg5GKABMgkIARAhGAoYoAEyCQgCECEYChigATIHCAMQIRiPAtIBCTgzNzZqMGoxNagCCLACAfEFuiB5St460F8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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MoodyP's avatar

Thanks for sharing with me. I watched Nancy’s video and also fwd it to my wife. Been exploring his website. Pretty interesting stuff.

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MoodyP's avatar

Hey thank you. We will check that out.

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Birgit Sjölander's avatar

Sorry what happened to your wife. If she got better with antibiotics than is was definitly no virus ! You are married 45 years that means you are an elderly couple. When you get older than you can have a longer period of recovery and is the diagnosis of PD right? Nowadays after nearly 100 years of indoctrination by Rockefeller you can't belive what a doctor is telling you nowadays. A serious bacterial infection can make you week for month exspecially when you have lived on a boat with all the stress bad weather can produce. Or have you only sailed in calm waters?

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MoodyP's avatar

Thanks for giving me the laugh of the day. I am 70 and my wife is 69. Is that elderly? According to my dad, who died in Nov 2921 at age 95, it is not. He always said he considered 85 to be elderly. But, he told me the years between 70-85 you could use being ‘elderly’ as an excuse for forgetting stuff or for not doing something you didn’t really want to do anyway.

After my wife got out of the hospital her recovery took many months. She was in decent shape before she got sick, not overweight, no medical conditions, no medications, and she walked about 30 miles a week (during the time periods when she had shore access to do that).

Lastly, regarding the weather. We have been sailing together since 1979. We’ve seen it all, including 4 hurricanes. Your comment was quite thoughtful. When you live in a boat, especially when voyaging, but even if you are in a marina, weather is the number one controlling factor. Always. But it’s also something we cannot control, so we don’t worry about it. We pay close attention, and have a variety of tools including satellite weather, GRIB maps, etc. But the weather itself never causes any stress, what can cause stress is if you aren’t prepared to safely manage through the really bad stuff. And that all eventually returns to the health of the boat (25%), the skill of the crew (65%) and a little bit of luck. (10%).

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David Robson's avatar

Your story lends credence to the theory of spike protein shedding by vaccinated people. Your poor wife might have breathed in spike proteins being shed by a vaccinated individual standing next to her in the grocery store. As for your healthy state, that is easily explained by your better immunity. Maybe you drink more milk than her and fuss about topsides more than her, giving you a more elevated level of vitamin D.

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MoodyP's avatar

She cleans and waxes. I cook. So that isn’t it. One thing I do have that she doesn’t. Kappa Light Chain Disease. I over produce monoclonal antibodies and my IgA is way outside the ‘normal’ range. My Hematologist/Oncologist at Duke has theorized that since the IgA antibody targets respiratory issues, and my system is always in overproduction mode, I don’t get respiratory issues.

I would not have taken the jab anyway. But he told me that he would not recommend it, given that it was allegedly intended to target IgA. He said the last thing you need to do is produce more of what you already over produce.

He admits he doesn’t know. But it’s an interesting theory.

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David Robson's avatar

Thanks for the reply. I think your theory is correct because I believe the seroprevalence testing for covid was based on the level of IgA antibodies detected.

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

"Everyone" did not lose their sense of taste. That phenomenon also happens with colds; it is neither a new symptom nor an uncommon one.

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Phil Davis's avatar

Look, when you get a cold you get nasal congestion. You can't smell therefore you can't taste. What we got was no nasally cold congestion. We could not smell or taste for months!!!!!? If you haven't had it then get lost because you're a fraud. You have no idea what you are talking about. For those of us who have suffered through moderately severe illness, whatever it was, we will not be lectured by fools.

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

OK, so you got ill. Experienced new symptoms. OK. But not "everyone" lost their sense of taste. That's all I'm saying here. You're OK with that, yes?

There's an episode of the British TV series "Pie in the Sky" about a policeman turned chef. He loses his sense of taste during and following a bad cold. It's not coming back, and he's panicking as a chef that he has lost his sense of taste. Meets with the doctor who tells him there's really nothing he can do. It happens and it will come back when it does...or not.

The show aired in the mid to late 1990's. Not new, not uncommon. And sometimes very long-lasting.

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David Robson's avatar

There's no need to respond so sharply to someone's honestly held opinion.

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peter tomkinson's avatar

No need to get abusive. Zinc had a lot to do with loss of taste. There are things known about this issue that have nothing to do with a claimed 'virus'.

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Phil Davis's avatar

The taste subject was used to demonstrate that most serious sufferers of this illness have similar experiences. And, they lasted for months, sometimes even a couple of years. This is one of many examples of the weird symptoms. As I stated, the experience was utterly alien. Unless it was mild, no one who went through this experience likened it to any other illness. It was unique, and loss of taste for an extended period was but one of those symptoms.

And yet we get these stupid comments from clueless people, including you, that tell us what we experienced. That is extreme haughtiness, not an opinion.

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peter tomkinson's avatar

Why do you accuse? We are all entitled to our opinions no matter how much they might differ. Open honest dialogue requires we share our opinions and allow others theirs. I am not clueless, I am not telling you what you experienced only what could possibly be reasons for it other than a forced narrative claiming one 'germ' as the cause of it. Perhaps I can come across a bit professorial too though not intentionally - haughty no. What a life of many decades has demonstrated repeatedly is that most people do not do the research that I have done and quite often cannot support their opinions with a scrap of evidence. A few get forceful with more claims, sometimes aggressive and even fire off insults which I know are defensive measures, even if they are not justified. So where is your evidence?

Maybe what people suffered as bad as it was, was not so different as people think only that it was not common. In 1972 all the family on the farm, and me, in our own time within a short period suffered something that put the hardiest in bed for days, stole all energy and we ached everywhere even in our finger nails. No one went to a medical type and we all recovered but what was it - no idea though I know it was not Covid-19.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Did the people who experienced the loss of taste for longer than a cold (and it should be noted that when people are primed to notice a common thing they notice it everywhere) have any of the treatments or drugs associated with 'covid'? These may also have played a role.

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Arnieus's avatar

A mystery, however the typical mortality attributed to the seasonal flu vanished. Every death was called covid. Hospitals were well "incentivized" to provide that part of the scam. The mortality rate for the year was not significantly different from other years. It was near zero for children and young adults. That fact along with cheap effective treatment reported by Front Line Doctors made the jabs obviously unnecessary. The media hysteria to get the shots tells me the shots were the purpose of the operation.

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Phil Davis's avatar

Absolutely.

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Gabriella's avatar

A have lost my sense of smell and taste from sinus illnesses. Losing smell and taste is not so rare.

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larsetom1's avatar

That's not true. The article mentioned lack of proper medical care (people who died in their homes) and STRESS. Denis Rancourt (mentioned in the article) has published many articles about how stress is not just a factor in illness but the main factor. The lockdowns were all about the creation of societal stress. When people get sick their symptoms vary (true of both colds and the flu). With bacterial pneumonia, this is even more true - except that pneumonia is deadly. Also, Rancourt discusses in his many published papers on Covid that there was a 50% drop in the prescribing of antibiotics, drugs that can save your life if you get pneumonia. So, those people who died of pneumonia (who were labeled Covid deaths) were killed by medical malpractice. Those who didn't die of pneumonia, suffered unnecessarily. (Incidentally, Ivermectin has known antibacterial properties.)

One of the features of the Covid Narrative TM was that any common symptom associated with a cold, the flu or bacterial pneumonia was also a symptom of Covid - and then some. Covid had no unique symptoms (because of course it didn't exist).

If there had been no "pandemic" would you have thought that loss of taste was anything strange if you got sick?

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belted radial's avatar

I always had the loss of taste thing with colds. I guess everybody forgot in 2020? It was funny how at first it was certain immediate breathless death and after that became cold symptoms.

I remember watching an interview that Clint Richardson had in his collections of Officials telling you something True.

Military analyst talking about the Alaska villages wiped out by '1918 flu'. He said, they died from lack of nursing care. My grandmother was a nurse in that war. There were few drugs, so it was more of a hands on occupation considered beneath the dignity of the dancing siren nurses of today.

Nursing care in that time was taking care of basic needs until the person was well enough to do for himself. Clean clothes, clean sheets, help with toileting, Cooking for and feeding those too weak to eat by themselves, making them drink fluids, Washing the body, maintain body temperature, moving them around to prevent bedsores, getting them to cough to clear the lungs, deep breathing, dangling legs... He said there were no caregivers because the whole village got sick at the same time and died from dehydration, starvation and exposure.

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belted radial's avatar

You know, it is very odd that with 50 to 100 million dead from Spanish flu as we're now told, that monuments were not erected, plaques or a remembrance day of some kind.

Misdirection is high art with our overlords.

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BunnyH's avatar

I thought recent analysis showed that many of those deaths were due to bacterial pneumonia rather than flu. The protocol back then was also the wearing of masks - the perfect breeding ground. Another contributing factor being the overdose of aspirin, assumed to be a harmless cure all.

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belted radial's avatar

Could be the case. The thing about 'recent analysis' is that the lenses used is from the viewpoint of now to unknown viewpoints of then. Belief in germs as the cause of disease was not 'common sense' as it is now. Filth was not acceptable, but neither was compulsive handwashing and chemical cleaning to attain an impossible sterility.

An overdose of aspirin is easy to detect with the resultant ringing in the ears. Aspergum was taken off the market because of the new disease of Reyes syndrome and children chewing it like regular gum.

Misdirection can use inversion and reversing or creating cause and effect relationships.

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Sam Vartaka's avatar

Apart from the fact that I got this 'flu' two months before anybody heard of Covid; as I said and 4 months before 19th Feb. Give us some credit!

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Phil Davis's avatar

Absolutely, when has that ever happened?

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N. Walker's avatar

"perhaps sprayed from the sky"

A good possibility as chemtrails were ever more prevalent in the recent past. The nefarious nature of the covert spraying itself leaves one to ponder its reasons, especially in light of the obsession with "climate change".

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Birgit Sjölander's avatar

You are right, spraying the sky occured already in the 60- 80 and got worse every year.I tried to show people after reseaching that it was no contrail fenomenon but nobody believed me. These programs are horrible and they can spray whatever they want. When the Climate change got popular many even thought it was god to block the sun even if they seldon did it , they sprayed mostly before the prognose

of rain. Those who opposed that were ridiculed or worse disappeared. Ask your friends what they know about HAARP you will be shocked how many know about that!

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Brian Murphy's avatar

The article alludes to it: Psychogenic disease caused mostly by wall to wall propagandising. One metaphor: if you have ever been to a stage hypnotist show, a similar action occurs when the hypnotist isolates those most susceptible to hypnosis. For example, he may ask the audience to clasp their hands and then to “imagine in your minds eye they can’t be unclasped” - those who can’t unclasp are invited onstage. From there they are convinced of anything “after I count to 3”…

“this large onion is actually a tasty apple”… “the front row are all naked”… “the man to your right is invisible but only from the neck down”… “you will no longer recognise your husband…” etc.

It has long been known the power of suggestion has profound influence on the physical and sensory, from undergoing invasive surgery to placebo mysteriousness to combatting or indeed creating illness.

Yes, it was all mostly a parlour trick.

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larsetom1's avatar

Yup. Daniel Roytas in his book "Can You Catch a Cold?" has a chapter called "Social Contagion" talking about mass psychogenic illness. No pathogen required.

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Birgit Sjölander's avatar

You are absolutly right. Our masters have the best psykologisk att hand. The cusin of Sigmund Freud Barney wrote a bok in the 20 about how you best manipulativ people and countries.

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Sam Vartaka's avatar

Apart from the fact that I got this 'flu' two months before anybody heard of Covid; as I said and 4 months before 19th Feb. Give us some credit!

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Allen's avatar

There are a million reasons people get sick.

There's no such thing as "covid."

That people believe this nonsense is a sure sign of how profound the behavioral conditioning was in the largest psychological campaign in history.

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Brian Murphy's avatar

Missed that, sorry. Then I suspect other psychogenic life stresses, misadventure in your diet or lifestyle, or pollutants in your environment will be to blame. As Rancourt et al have shown, while symptomatic onset need not correlate with alleged viral patterning or pathogenicity, once the epidemiology is invalidated, largely stress and terrain factors remain, including military-grade psychological priming.

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Sam Vartaka's avatar

Thank you for acknowledging. I am and was healthy, not overweight or with sugar or insulin problems (which was one of the factors that made the issue worse).

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peter tomkinson's avatar

And you are certain it was Covid-19 as later claimed?

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Kathe OConnor's avatar

I am a nurse. I saw the sick people. I had Covid. Sickest I have ever been. Not imaginary. Explain the sickness!

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larsetom1's avatar

No one is arguing that people didn't get sick. How do you know you had Covid?

Tested positive by a fraudulent PCR "test"? Had the same symptoms, symptoms common the cold, flu and bacterial pneumonia?

Look, you need to look at the work of Denis Rancourt and his team. He PROVES that there was no pandemic using the most reliable data there is - all-cause mortality. He shows that there were no excess deaths anywhere in the world until March 11th 2020. Then, in multiple locations thousands of miles from each other, simultaneously, had spikes of excess deaths. This is not possible according the theory of the spread of respiratory disease.

If there was no pandemic, then there was no pathogen spreading across the planet. If you maintain your position, then you are part of the problem. As a nurse, you are in a position to either help or harm people. Do not assume that what you were told in school or on the job is true.

https://denisrancourt.ca/entries.php?id=130&name=2023_06_22_there_was_no_pandemic_essay

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N. Walker's avatar

During the pandemic, government hyped everyone up to a point they acted like hypochondriacs. Covid was always on their mind as were the inaccurate PCR rests. FEAR was the chosen script of the day

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larsetom1's avatar

Indeed, the whole Covid program was very much like a Nazi program. But, but , but, how could nurses hurt anyone???

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Angie's avatar

….by “just following orders” like the Nazis and the Milgram Experiment “Obedience to Authority”.

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larsetom1's avatar

What would be the contemporary equivalent of " “just following orders”?

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Brian Murphy's avatar

You were hypnotised into hypochondria. Full spectrum psychological operation. Military grade psychosomatic assault. You “lost your sense of smell” because this was constantly being broadcast across media and reinforced in the “tested and infected” population as a “unique symptom” (in reality, there were no unique symptoms - all were consistent with any cold or flu occurring via self-induced stress).

Read Laura Dodsworth’s “State of Fear” which came out as the psyop was kicking in. She documents how it was orchestrated in the UK via the military intelligence apparatus (such as the “Nudge Unit” including the British Army’s 77th Brigade, colloquially known as the “Psyop Unit”) and global partners.

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Angie's avatar

Our governments intentionally created a longstanding atmosphere of INTENSE STRESS using lockdowns, isolation, biofascist mask/gene therapy platform mandates under threat of job loss and non-stop 24/7 FEAR propaganda which aggressively targeted the rightfully non-compliant.

STRESS has been proven to cause cancer, illness and death...especially in vulnerable people who were intentionally targeted to eliminate them from government/corporate payrolls, benefits and pensions thus, ELIMINATING THOSE LIABILITIES and maximizing stakeholder profits. I was one of them.

https://unbekoming.substack.com/cp/166988056

https://thenationaltelegraph.com/national/canadian-crown-corporations-coerced-employees-with-fake-vaccine-mandate/

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EmEm33's avatar

Bad flu. All the flu statistics dropped off Gov of Canada's Health statistics when cov 19 entered the room.....unless of course there were comorbidities, then some people had it worse

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Phil Davis's avatar

You guys have no idea what you're talking about. You have no frame of reference. This illness is nothing like anything you would experience. It's not the flu, it's like an alien pathogen from another world. We lost taste for up to a year, that's right, months on no taste. We could not process fluids, we were dehydrated, and IVs were pumped in, but still our veins collapsed from no fluid, yet we needed diuretics so our lungs would not fill with fluid from the IV and drown. We couldn't move; something was on our chest 24/7, and it felt like death was around the corner. All those who were admitted to the hospital had the same symptoms. It was not stress, fucking sakes, stress? If you caught this, I guarantee you would not be flippantly spewing garbage.

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Sam Vartaka's avatar

Oddly it seems a few posters are maligning those who speak up about their illnesses; pre, during or post 'Covid'. I wonder why they are so vehement about decrying any personal evidence and merely requote from the presented study argument. Also I never personally did a PCR test; wasn't going to stick that up my nose.

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Phil Davis's avatar

It's amazingly arrogant.

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Allen's avatar

No, it's demanding evidence for a claim.

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peter tomkinson's avatar

No doubt you were ill, seriously. But with what? RT-PCR is a laboratory tool and its inventor/developer, Kari Mullis was adamant it could NOT be made a clinical diagnostic tool. Other wise see above my comments on other possibilities for illness far more likely that one bug with a gang of mutations NO ONE, repeat no one will state they have a pure sample of from a sufferer. Where is the Bug that demanded a drug?

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Phil Davis's avatar

Nowhere did I say they I had COVID. What I stated was that the sufferers of this illness during the period of what they called COVID had the same symptoms, and many, like me, were seriously sick. Our symptoms were unique and new, like no sense of taste for weeks or months. So, suggesting no illness floating around the world, affecting people of all political and religious backgrounds, was real. It was not fake. Something massive was released.

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EmEm33's avatar

so perhaps crap falling from the sky via aerosolized injections then, as they have been doing that for years

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Jo Waller's avatar

Now it's not just loss of taste, it's not being able to process fluids and becoming dehydrated? I hadn't heard of that before. Could the IVs and diurectics have anything to do with long lasting effects?

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Allen's avatar

Can you provide concrete evidence for what you are saying?

Who's the "we" who "lost taste to up to a year." Can you provide evidence for this.

What hospital are you referencing and precisely what dates were they admitted?

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Allen's avatar

That's not evidence. That's a yahoo search engine offering links to propaganda.

You are quite dishonest and not to be believed.

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Brian Murphy's avatar

This presentation offers useful insights into the behavioural science techniques deployed by the perpetrators…

https://youtu.be/LLRc0-KkrgE?si=WOVNd2DSlHBAcV5Z

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Birgit Sjölander's avatar

You are an empathic one, be proud of it! When I was studying medicin I got every desease they where just teaching untill efter the 5th deadly desease I realised this can not be true. Iam also an easy target for hypnosis , I tested it when I was a rebbelious teenager. My mind told me under such a session , no I won't do what you tell me and suddenly I did it to my own supprise.

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Allen's avatar

What hospital?

Can you describe in detail what you saw and on what dates?

How many people and describe these people- age, race, where they lived, health condition etc.. Please give details.

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peter tomkinson's avatar

See comment above. And btw nurses, those most dedicated to serving people in need, are the most resistant to anything that challenges the 'approved narrative. Maybe you will see things differently if you challenge the narrative for evidence to support its claims.

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Phil Davis's avatar

Prove to us you once had a cold.

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peter tomkinson's avatar

And what will that 'prove'? Sweet fanny adams. Your comments here are a waste of time and space which of course may be the piurp[ose of what you are doing.

Sometimes it is wise to not say anything due to the risk of showing that you have nothing to say.

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Phil Davis's avatar

I'm demonstrating the absurdity of your comments.

My first comment was that people lost their taste for months; hundreds of millions experienced the same symptom, as I did, which is a massive indicator that some common pathogen was floating around. I literally wrote two sentences. And then the diatribe of Idiocracy came flowing out of nitwits trying to prove their medical acumen and conspiratorial wisdom. My own credibility was demeaned, I'm a liar, I was just stressed that day, it was wireless waves, and give us proof your story is real., now mutations occur, you have no sample of what you had, and on and on the absurd comments from people that did not have the common experience of being sick. Commentators speaking from their ass.

If I had cancer and shared my story, no one would question that, no one would demand proof, or call me a liar. They would be sympathetic. This COVID era has made dick's out of people; one can't even have a simple conversation, everything is weaponized and political.

Can you imagine a woman revealing she lost a breast to cancer, then getting called out as a liar, or that she had a bug that mutated and can't produce a pure sample? Because you know Kerry Mullis. Which, BTW, was speaking in 1997 regarding AIDS. Study Kerry better, you'll find out you don't know what you think you know.

I think you need to listen to your own advice and shut the fuck up.

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peter tomkinson's avatar

Interesting that you want others to listen to you but you tell me, quote "to shut the fuck up" as well as many other insulting statements. I have been doing my studies into health and ill health for more than 40 years. I think I have earned the freedom to speak and present my opinions without the insults from you that you don't accept when given to you. And by the way I have not denied your illness, only question the origin of it or the causal agent(s). If you are not open to a free discussion I wonder why you are on this site and in the comments at all.

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peter tomkinson's avatar

Look at all the interactive agents we live with and often because of and then how easily the whole can be tipped off balance and there you have it = illness. Respiratory and Gut issues are most common because they are where the external and internal are no more than one cell separated. Fungi-Yeasts-moulds-bacteria and a whole colony of micro-organisms including parasites, ALL of which need energy sources and produce waste. Still looking for what makes you ill? One bug, one drug is a business model, not about health, never was and never will be.

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

Massive numbers of people were sick with “something.” That is not made up. The evidence is overwhelming. Now the iatrogenic death theory is 100-percent correct.

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biologyphenom's avatar

When you keep upto date with real evidence sworn under oath it paints a very different picture what people were told about 'covid'. This is the most important yet most avoided covid information on the internet by both msm and 'alt.'

https://biologyphenom.substack.com/p/newuk-covid-19-inquiry16-jul-2025

https://biologyphenom.substack.com/p/newuk-covid-19-inquiry30-jul-2025-2e7

https://biologyphenom.substack.com/p/newuk-covid-19-inquiry30-jul-2025-940

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Allen's avatar

There are always people "sick with something" but there is zero evidence that there was any illness out of the norm and zero evidence that there were "massive numbers" of people sick (whatever that means).

But please be the first in five years to send that evidence to me and as you know I've studied this and written about the COVID con as deeply as anyone walking on planet earth.

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pobrecollie's avatar

You are talking about "unique" symptoms 2 years before the "pandemic".

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George's avatar

Sorry if I'm repeating myself:The Summing Up Thanks To Dr. J.J.Couey From Gigaohmbiological.com

1. Intramuscular injection is just a spectacularly dumb idea from the late 1800s. Cutaneous immunization works, just not always predicably. It is also painful and scars.

2. There was an anticipated rise in all-cause mortality (ACM) that remains and may even continue to increase in the future. This anticipated rise in ACM could have bankrupt many Western nations and is the biological signal being MANAGED with

manslaughter and lies. Many of these lies are told on social media by coordinated liars scripted to in turn promote or oppose other liars on the same script.

3. Modern RNA virology has also been used to strengthen and extend this Illusion. Claiming to find genetic signals in the wild, RNA virology then uses pure quantities of synthetic recombinant DNA or RNA TRANSFECTION in both cell cultures and animal models. This is fraud.

4. Coordinated liars fooled all of us into solving the Mystery of the Novel Virus. "Where did it come from? Who is responsible?" Participating in this Theater (even passively) coerced all of us into accepting several false premises, including that we were all in danger, and that we could be in danger again in the future.

5. RNA cannot be the basis for a pandemic because it has none of the special chemical characteristics that DNA supposedly has. When was the last DNA based pandemic? Gain of Function is a Mythology created by DOD+HHS to make an RNA pandemic biologically plausible. It is not.

6. These injections were actually old technologies-sometimes differentiated as TRANSFORMATION (adenovirus vectors, DNA) and TRANSFECTION (RNA)—that were just renamed and reformulated to be treated as new countermeasures, avoid regulation, and allow for the claiming of new intellectual property. This is fraud for which the PREP act emergency was a required moving part. Now the FDA will now be made irrelevant.

7. There is an irreducibly complex Background of genetic signals around us. A huge percentage but not all of these signals are related to bacteria and bacteriophages. The use of PCR in both virology and medicine make no effort to differentiate from this Background, using neither positive nor negative controls, as well as offering no reference scalar. The continued fraudulent use of PCR as a medical diagnostic creates a valuable medical remnant stream ideal for the Human Genome Project objectives. 8. The Health Freedom Movement can be seen as fake because of decades of failure to realize any of these Truths, especially #1. There are witting and unwitting participants. Ralph Baric, Peter Daszak, Paul Offit, Mary Holland, Andrew Wakefield, Polly Tommy, Vincent Racaniello, Pierre Kory, Robert Malone, and Robert F Kennedy are all part of One Malevolent Script. It is that bad.

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erikthegrey's avatar

Thanks for dropping Jonathan's website in. I forgot.

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belted radial's avatar

Thanks, it all bears repeating because there is so much of it and the script is so unbelievably bad.

The stupid thing about the RNA as the cause of a pandemic is how delicate it is.

Even Wikipedia says it:"

The extraction of RNA in molecular biology experiments is greatly complicated by the presence of ubiquitous and hardy ribonucleases that degrade RNA samples. Certain RNases can be extremely hardy and inactivating them is difficult compared to neutralizing DNases. In addition to the cellular RNases that are released, there are several RNases that are present in the environment. RNases have evolved to have many extracellular functions in various organisms.[13][14][15] For example, RNase 7, a member of the RNase A superfamily, is secreted by human skin and serves as a potent antipathogen defence.[16][17] In these secreted RNases, the enzymatic RNase activity may not even be necessary for its new, exapted function. For example, immune RNases act by destabilizing the cell membranes of bacteria.[18][19] "

Note that part about RNAse secreted by the skin as a potent antipathogen defense. Remember the search for hand sanitizers?

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Alix Mayer's avatar

This. Is. Excellent. When I first heard about the Covid cases in December 2019, I wasn’t super worried that “they” could make this into the worldwide pandemic. After all, coronaviruses had been known as the common cold prior to COVID-19.

However, when the media came out in lockstep on either January 20 or January 21, 2020 with the bat soup origin narrative, I became petrified of what they were going to do with “COVID-19.“ I was pretty sure at the time that the Chinese didn’t eat bats — what an inconvenient and dangerous food source that would be! Also, at the time I did believe the virus narrative, and I knew that if somebody was eating a bat soup, it was definitely not bat gazpacho, it was a heated soup, which would’ve killed any virus. The bat soup narrative made my stomach fall out of my body. That was the biggest “tell” for me.

Also of note is the fact that fan Wu et al got their SARS Cov-2 sequence from one man whose x-ray showed “glass lung syndrome“, the definitive objective lab that they said was a confirmed case of Covid. They assembled the sequence, to make it fit what was already in the genetic database inserting in Silico sequences for the gaps. Then to top it all off, Fan Wu et al destroyed the original sample, preventing peer review of their work.

Then that sequence became the subject of the fraudulent Drosten paper, defining the sequences for PCR testing.

I also just learned from Dr. Mark Bailey, that people were being PCR tested two weeks before the Drosten paper was even published!!

This entire thing was the biggest psy op that has ever been foisted upon humanity.

It must also be mentioned that the way the PCR test was used was illegal because it was used on healthy people. The EUA said that it should strictly be used in people with symptoms. Plus as its inventor, Cary Mullis, said, the PCR is a lab amplification technique, not a diagnostic. Over cycling was not the only problem with the PCR — the gold standard according to the FDA is that any PCR positive needs to be sequenced to make sure that it’s not a false positive. That step was skipped despite Dr. Sin Hang Lee writing the FDA about this multiple times. I was on a PCR testing Coalition Committee with him. The last time I reviewed the sequencing data for PCR positives, there was anywhere from a 40% to 92% false positive rate.

So they were drumming up cases, obviously with the PCR.

I also have to mention all the perverse incentive from the CARES Act. The billions and billions of dollars of “Covid cash” used to bribe everyone to force PCR testing, diagnose Covid and kill people in the hospital using Covid protocols. It turned otherwise compassionate people into monsters.

And everything led to the ginning up of both cases and deaths to scare people who would only believe the mainstream narrative.

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Robert Townshend's avatar

Great summation.

Lab leak is one of those stunts like terrorist paragliders over the Gaza fence, or Trump's ear. They put it out there, in the full bloom of its topicality and silliness, then slyly walk it back. They let it have its effect on those to whom it appeals. Then they lose it.

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Steven Work's avatar

Did I miss where you addressed extra federal monies to corporate medical systems for each 'died of/with covid' paying our Health Professionals and the corporations they serve - to kill.

Extra monies for each 'died of-with covid' - motorcycle crash deaths listed as 'Died of Covid', falsely amplifying covid-suffering metrics, with zero regular Flu deaths?

I rejected the entire insanity when masked were required under the (already know by me) false protection from viruses lie .. once someone of group lies so directly then it is prudent to assume everything is likely a lie, and in a Just world it would be Prudent to publicly hang them because every breath they take is them living and threating us and others, unless they Repent -of course.

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belted radial's avatar

Have you ever looked up the study done on the navy men during the 1918 flu? I can't find it now, but the doctor had these guys sit together, talk, and even made the well guy get exposed to the sick guys snot but could not get the well guys sick. I don't remember if the snot was put in the nose or injected. That and one of the early papers about compelling the public to comply with orders using psychological conditioning set me off.

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Portraits in Fitness's avatar

That was Milton Rosenau, and his famous paper is Experiments to Determine Mode of Spread of Influenza, AKA the "Rosenau Experiment". It could not find evidence of contagion from one person to another.

From the NIH's website:

"Perhaps the most interesting epidemiological studies conducted during the 1918–1919 pandemic were the human experiments conducted by the Public Health Service and the U.S. Navy under the supervision of Milton Rosenau on Gallops Island, the quarantine station in Boston Harbor, and on Angel Island, its counterpart in San Francisco."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2862332/

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belted radial's avatar

https://archive.org/details/rosenau-milton-j-1919-experiments-to-determine-mode-of-spread-of-influenza-journ/mode/2up

https://www.ggarchives.com/Influenza/TheRosenauExperiment-1918-1919.html

There were other experiments on military human subjects during this time. I'm starting to wonder if the Alaskan natives were also subjects of experiment.

Rosenau was the guy who founded the first Public health schools at Harvard and Chapel Hill. This article

https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/World_War_I_--_Life_Histories/Section_001/Milton_J._Rosenau

states that he volunteered in March 1917 to work with the military in case of an emergency and took an oath of office in July just in time for the Spanish flu outbreaks and after the war he worked on developing a vaccine for Spanish flu. What luck?

Also from that article

"Rosenau was a strong proponent of vaccination, which he researched and wrote about extensively. He is quoted saying "Vaccination affords a high degree of immunity to the individual, and well-nigh perfect protection to the community."[2] Rosenau pioneered research in areas such as vaccine longevity,[3] vaccine purity,[4] and the use of animals in diagnosis,[5] along with many other subjects. One of his most important discoveries in preventive care was the low temperature, slow pasteurization of milk, which killed milk-borne diseases without creating the "cooked milk" taste that was the largest obstacle to widespread acceptance of pasteurization.[6]

How could he tell that vaccination did all that? His own experiment showed otherwise.

This next part is from

https://www.ggarchives.com/Influenza/TheRosenauExperiment-1918-1919.html

"The volunteers who were used in these experiments differed from those used at Boston in two respects—first, the personnel of the Yerba Buena Station had not been exposed to influenza in the present epidemic and were therefore presumed not to possess any special natural immunity; second, all of the men had been vaccinated with large doses of a bacterial vaccine containing Pfeiffer’s bacilli, the three fixed types of pneumococci and hæmolytic streptococci."

"We are not prepared at present to state what influence this vaccination may have had in promoting resistance to influenza infection, but if we may judge by the results of controlled experiments elsewhere such vaccination may for the present purpose be ignored."

What is ironic is that in the Portsmouth part of the Rosenau paper he says half his volunteers came down with strep throat, but he leaves it up to the reader to remember that they were all vaccinated with haemolytic streptococci ie strep throat. Did the vaccine make them more susceptible to a bacterial infection when they were exposed to sick people?

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Birgit Sjölander's avatar

When they did the testruns with birdflu and svininfluensan the years before covid ,you could read even in official pappers that the flu from 1918 was comming .They spiked it with the news that they had digged upp the corpses who died in that flu for isolating the 'virus'. What in hell was the need of digging upp something that had died out? This incredible lie was the start and test how to lure the people and the fearmongering to get the mass hypnosis running , it was god bussiness for farma because every country bought the med for milions of dollar to ' protect' their people. When studied what these meds where doing you could with a clear mind see it was a fraud. A LOT OF PEOPLE GOT RICH OF THIS AND WHO CHANGED THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD PANDEMI. SO CONVIENIENT!!

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belted radial's avatar

I remember that. Don't forget the Ebola terror and Hepatitis A. I was thinking how sick, desecrating graves. and WHO did change definition in 2009 along with the definition of what a vaccine is. It may have been the same time that Bill Gates became a country.

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Steven Work's avatar

Oh, yea, Mercury, Aluminum, other heavy metals and toxic to neurological systems! .. please stop me from throwing off building roof any medical person excusing those in any kind of 'treatment'. Ever since I learned of those toxic contents in vaccines, than assuming evil and death is their Goal for us and all we love or ever could have loved - but they murdered as sacrificed to Satan, and other 'Profits'.

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Denis Rancourt's avatar

Thank you for describing our work and its relevance in demonstrating the fraudulent and nefarious nature of the covid operation. Our main reports are organized here: https://correlation-canada.org/research/

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Frances Leader's avatar

Yeah, about that.... Why don't you EVER investigate electro-magnetic radiation, Denis?

https://francesleader.substack.com/p/the-fifth-generation-weapon

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AKgrrrl's avatar

I have been wondering that as I read this entire thread!! We know that thousands of towers went up specifically during the orders to stay home. Do people STILL really believe those towers are for better cellphone transmission? Wow. I first witnessed microwave attacks for crowd control in 2012 with people running holding their heads screaming. They do not care if we have guns. Towers must come down.

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Frances Leader's avatar

I have raised this issue with Denis Rancourt every time I see anything from him. He claims to have investigated all environmental factors but refuses to consider wireless telecommunication, which happens to be the most dramatic environmental change this century!

He ignores me….. sometimes silence speaks volumes.

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Birgit Sjölander's avatar

I HAVE WONDERED THE SAME .China has 5G and even 6 G and anyone is using it but the people don't get sick as we predict in the west. But I know and have seen patients with strong sensibility against normal elektromagnetic frequenses but the common finding in these patients are they have had massiv trauma and the feeling of total powerlessnes before getting sick. Only assuming that this allergy against elektricity is a powerplay because everyone have to obey this poor victim in shuting down every electricity running when they are near. Then a pletoria of treatments when invented more or less ridicluless but it helped many of those victims. Then didn't we hear of that sickness anymore. are they now all living in the Woods?

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Frances Leader's avatar

We have found ways to shield and cope.... plus there is the censorship which keeps us off social media.

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StellaMaris's avatar

Dr JJ Couey has been one of the first telling the truth and teaching the biology.... he got fired for it and has lost much....

https://gigaohmbiological.com/

https://stream.gigaohm.bio/w/aDSGKhtZw9y6VW3SkXEkJb

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alexei's avatar

Why would his claims be any more viable than others? What exactly makes him The Expert? The entire saga seems to be one theory on top of another theory with no actual proof.

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StellaMaris's avatar

He was fired for standing up in 2020... he is a neurobiologist.... he shows proof.... that's for you to investigate and not for me to hand it to you.....if you want to learn, then here are the links....

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

I've never been able to find out how mRNA exits the lipids which are designed to not break down in the body.

The LNPs are why people get sick. They are very hard to break down and eliminate, ending up clogging circulation and key organs leading to more and more issues.

It's the perfect way to hide the true cause of death as it's not consistent, depending on the person's body condition.

https://robc137.substack.com/p/years-before-mrna-and-spike-protein

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Petra Liverani's avatar

The False Dilemma is a tried and true propaganda strategy and covid wasn't their first BBQ with it ... I learnt the False Dilemma strategy from 9/11:

Story A for the anticipated believers: Terrrrorrrrists

Story B for the anticipated disbelievers: US Govt et al

Reality C: US Govt et al BUT they staged the death and injury - it was a massive demolition job cum Full-Scale Anti-Terror Exercise comprising numerous exercises they told us about ... but a crucial few they didn't including the ones that gave us all the images of the "injured".

The False Dilemma strategy is often used for assassinations including JFK and RFK - the truth is the assassinations were staged, nobody died or was jailed.

Having learnt from 9/11 that in psyops they do what they want for real and fake the rest and about the False Dilemma propaganda strategy, as soon as they hit us with the nonsense of bats, pangolins and snakes and people falling flat on their face I knew INSTANTLY: no virus (because it was obvious they didn't WANT a virus they only wanted our belief in one) and as soon as I heard biolab I knew that was just another stream of propaganda.

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Brian's avatar

But we really did land on the Moon, right?

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Petra Liverani's avatar

Derision is not an attitude conducive to truth seeking. The most important attitude for truth seeking is an open mind.

Normies DERIDE the so-called "conspiracy theorists" while "conspiracy theorists" DERIDE those who subscribe to official narratives ... and that's EXACTLY the way those in power want it.

No one could accuse me of being a slavish subscriber to official narratives and there are at least two space-related narratives I don't believe:

--- Challenger disaster

--- Apollo 13

I also suspect the Columbia disaster was faked just because Challenger was, same for Apollo 1 but haven't looked.

I also recognise that the Four Horsemen of the Moon Hoax Psyop, Bill Kaysing (a complete buffoon), Massimo Mazzucco, Dave McGowan and Bart Sibrel are paid agents pushing anti-moon landing propaganda - there's more though.

These are incontrovertible facts:

--- No disbeliever of the moon landings has recognised these people as pushing anti-moon landing propaganda even though they recognise - in some cases at least - that they're agents from what they say on other events, eg, 9/11

--- The incontrovertible fact above has not made any disbeliever sit back on their heels and question why no disbeliever has recognised these people as having not one word of truth between them on the ML.

So, Brian, I ask you if you can provide a single word of truth from any of the Four Horsemen on the ML and if you cannot do that why that doesn't give you any pause at all?

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Brian's avatar

Interesting argument tactic - focusing on these critics. The main argument in support of the claim we never went to the Moon is that it was at that time and perhaps now technically impossible. Never before or since the Nixon administration have we or anyone from any other country ever “gone to the moon.” Anyway, I was simply alluding to our comment exchange sometime last year on this topic and see you are sticking to your support of the US claim that it went to the moon.

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Petra Liverani's avatar

I'm not really focusing on the prominent moon hoaxers per se what I'm focusing on is that no disbeliever of the moon landings has worked out these moonhoaxers are propaganda agents so the question arises, why not? Why has no disbeliever worked out that they are propaganda agents and do not have a word of truth between them on the ML?

Why have I worked it out - the only person to do so as far as I can tell - but no disbeliever has? I can understand why believers haven't worked it out (although some have worked out they tell LIES) because agents spreading lies about a real event won't be in their paradigm of how the world works - but it's in my paradigm so I figured it out.

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Brian's avatar

Back to the point: You think the US astronauts actually went to the Moon, correct? BTW, there are often "propaganda agents" about various psyops on all sides. There are many different and conflicting theories regarding 9/11 and JFK assassination, for example, that are contrary to the official narratives of these events. The existence of the different and conflicting theories and people pushing them does not necessarily make the official narrative true.

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Petra Liverani's avatar

I'm aware there are often propaganda agents and their lies don't make official narratives true. I get that. But some disbelievers at least work these people out don't they because they recognise their LIES.

So why hadn't any disbeliever worked out that these people only have LIES to tell on the moon landings?

Why has no disbeliever worked it out?

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pobrecollie's avatar

My only criticism of this article is that you point out how fantastical a lot of the claims from molecular biology are " Researchers are using imaginary particles to detect other imaginary particles" but you seem to take similarly fantastical claims about nano technology at face value. I haven't looked into nanotechnology at all, so I have no idea how much of it is fiction.

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RasDev's avatar

Did I miss the mention of remdesivir anywhere in this post? It should go hand in hand with the killing ventilators.

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Access Tribe Bitcoin's avatar

This “there was no virus” smacks of “don’t believe your own lying eyes”. There was undoubtedly a pathogen of some kind circulating in 2020 making some people very sick. Whether it was planted, airborne or some type of havana syndrome tech.

Yes, the fly disappeared and most people in hospital were killed by the protocols, not any specific illness.

Yes the “vaccine” made many sick. It may have contained self-assembling nanotech along with the sv40 etc. batches were different. We know that for certain.

But to suggest that there was nothing unusual going around in 2020/2021 is gaslighting as bad as ignoring legitimate vaccine injuries and frankly, seems like the very misdirection you claim to be unveiling.

I can personally attest to friends and family who at the time and in some cases never took the shots. Nonetheless, they had acute gastric issues, hair loss, fatigue and “burning lungs”. Ages ranged from 20s to 70s.

One can speculate as to what caused these symptoms, but they were certainly not the result of a regular “flu” season.

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Marcella Amlie's avatar

Just because COVID as an established entity doesn't exist, doesn't mean we weren't sprayed with bioweapons such as myscosis pneumonia weaponized with nanobots or some other trick in their arsenal such as weaponized insects like ticks just to scare, sicken or kill people.

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