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Lawdog's avatar

Wow! I saw and liked all three of those movies, but never once considered what might be wrong with them. Thank you for this thoughtful essay.

Juliet Romeo's avatar

Hollywood should never, EVER be the template on which to base life choices and values.

Smedley Butler's avatar

When a witch cast a spell on an unsuspecting person, what does the witch use to cast the spell?

A Wand!

......and what is the wand made out of?

The Wood of a Holly tree....Hollywood

Juliet Romeo's avatar

Enlightening! If a little frightening..

Litoralis's avatar

A provocative essay. The main conclusion of the documentary, "Birthgap," which you mention near the end, as I recall, is that merely delaying family formation is sufficient to produce dramatic, if not catastrophic, decline in human population.

hojo keceram's avatar

It seems we have been on a journey created by fatalists, big pharma, eugenics, and a steady stream of entertainment to unravel the basic human in the gut experience and replace it with our own demise brought to us by the feeling of fake hope and another pill. For years now I have read so much that at times makes me think, this can't possibly be true, but each time another piece of the puzzle fits and I ponder again, do the powers that be really want us gone and what is next.

yantra's avatar

on a very strange video last nite about the annunaki, i heard this: "once humans learn how to respond, the tools lose effectiveness . . . repeated cycles of suppression are followed by recovery. each cycle ends with humanity more resilient than before."

we must remember that we are that resilient humanity.

NIGELTEAPOT's avatar

Please don’t drink that satanic nonsense.

Litoralis's avatar

Similar experience, here. Maybe narcissism leads inevitably to nihilism. Narcissists are casting spells and nihilists seek control.

hojo keceram's avatar

We must keep the withway open and keep real in mind as the coming storm might be right on time. Well stated. The plandemic opened the minds of many and hard research became a passion and oh the wonders of the evil ones for they have many storms planned for us don't they?

Litoralis's avatar

I am not sure, but am trying to pay attention.

hojo keceram's avatar

Read, Temple of Solomon by Jacob Nordangard. This is a from the beginning the story of the push for a one world government and all the players involved.

Secondly is The Withway by Paul Cudenec, and away you go, all the best

Litoralis's avatar

Solid recommendations. Especially interested in Jacob on Rockefeller and Paul put me onto Kropotkin and mutual aid. Then, just the other day, James Corbett was quite helpfully discussing mutual aid also. Thanks!

Hannah's avatar

Another aspect of the discards in the films were that the women upgraded with men who were physically less masculine, subjectively less attractive. There has to be a biological consequence to this en masse.

Lawdog's avatar

Hannah and her Sisters was another romantic comedy of this era.

Hannah's avatar

Woody Allen… shudder. Wiki says: “Elliot attributes his behavior to his discontent with his wife's self-sufficiency and resentment of her emotional strength. Lee has lived for five years with a reclusive artist, Frederick, who is much older. She finds her relationship with Frederick no longer intellectually or sexually stimulating, in spite of (or maybe because of) Frederick's professed interest in continuing to teach her. She leaves Frederick after admitting to having a dalliance with Elliot. For the remainder of the year between the first and second Thanksgiving gatherings, Elliot and Lee carry on their affair despite Elliot's inability to end his marriage to Hannah. Lee finally ends the affair during the second Thanksgiving, explaining that she is finished waiting for him to commit and that she has started dating someone else.

Hannah's ex-husband Mickey, a television writer, is present mostly in scenes outside of the primary story. Flashbacks reveal that his marriage to Hannah fell apart after they were unable to have children because of his infertility. However, they had twins who are not biologically his, before divorcing.” … Fits the script!

Litoralis's avatar

Woody knew what he was doing when he chose that sweater for Lee.

Editor, Fabius Maximus website's avatar

There is another element to this. Starting with late Boomer women (~born after 1954), traditional women’s behavior was not just eliminated from education but demonized. Home Economics classes were eliminated. Girls were raised to like boys. Pronatalism was an evil ideology to be condemned (This was a big deal in my sociology and psychology courses at Cornel 1973-77).

This generation of girls, my peers, had a divorce rate of roughly 50% (more, based my personal experience).

We live with the result.

yantra's avatar

yes - and a pretty low birthrate - you might be interested in my (rather long) post on this thread.

Editor, Fabius Maximus website's avatar

That was interesting. Always interesting to hear about another Boomer’s experience. We are the vanguard of America’s decay. Rot long brewing flowered with us. We are the failure of the Greatest Generation, who failed to raise children to pass on their values. Hippies and campus weirdness immediately showed this.

Of course, we too failed at this. Since then the dominoes continue to fall.

Pain Story Exit's avatar

I always loathed Ephron's writing but couldn't express it. Now I know why.

Robert Dyson's avatar

Fascinating. I have a foot in India as well as the UK and remember someone telling me "In the West people marry the person they love. In India we love the person we marry". Of course marriage is a tough venture like all collective work, it can go badly wrong. I have friends and relatives in India where it did go wrong, even though it was arranged in the best sense of introduction and choice. We are programmed to make babies, or play at making them. In the past both partners also had many connections in extended families or occupation so that the marriage relationship was not the only place for solace or venting problems. In the West society has been partially atomized so that the individual feels alone (all the better to manipulate). It's natural to seek that one individual who can resolve that isolation because individualism is the framework. You might like to read work by Verrier Elwin, starting with "The Tribal World of Verrier Elwin: An Autobiography". OUP, 1964, that I read in 1964. Other books may not be easily available but in the 1970s I read "The Muria and their Ghotul", OUP, 1947, at the Bodleian Library in Oxford. This is a fascinating view of how a caring collective society works.

Jim's avatar

Another great report by Unbekoming.

--- Whilst I had heard of the "The Jaffe Memo", I did not know this Rothschild Device was pushing these population-reduction ideas so explicitly (increase homosexuality, delay childrens, break stable relationships).

My own thoughts :

---***This Memo has also been used extensively in other nations, on both TV & Cinema***

---***The Recent years LGBTQ+ Agenda is another chapter from the Memo***.

Jo in veritatis inquisitione's avatar

Thank you for this brillant essay.

I must be a weird phenomenon: I had never fully watched these 3 movies. Honestly, I think I started watching the "blockbusters" and quickly stopped and moved on. No interest.

I have never accepted that others decide about my own conception of the world. I can't help but think that there must be a lot of women like me. And that putting all women in the same box is a big mistake...

Yes, we can see the major role of "culture", Hollywood, Music, etc., in shaping Western thought. For decades, entertainers have been happily collaborating in brainwashing the populace, as favored by the evil elites: make the policy goals feel like personal liberation of women.

About "women who had (largely) been on the pill since adolescence", in addition to the effects on sexuality, this has also caused and is now causing diseases and difficulties to women, as we all know, contraception has always rested almost exclusively on the shoulders of women, at the cost of their health, and no one talks about it (except few like you!).

I remember reading in the 70s that a "contraceptive pill for men" had been developed, but never marketed because, I'm not making this up, "it caused too many side effects" to gentlemen. This was confirmed by my GP at the time. Ok for the girl to risk her health but not ok for the boy?

NIGELTEAPOT's avatar

Do you know what demons think of women?

yantra's avatar

What Jaffe and his ilk created worked. As a teen in the 1960s, I now realize I was absolutely programmed by TV, music, college classes and movies. When I was a little girl I happily anticipated growing up, getting married and having babies. By the time I was 11 or 12 the weekly sitcom “that girl” starring marlo thomas appeared on TV – an iconic, attractive, “liberated” career woman in NYC and her beau – with neither marriage nor kids in the picture. I began styling my hair in a ‘flip’ just like hers.

Environmental classes in college promoted ZPG (zero population growth); paul ehrlich’s ‘the population bomb’ was a bestseller. My first biology teacher advocated genetic pedigrees to determine the right to bear children in order to erase "bad" elements from the gene pool.

Along with many of my generation, I “chose” not to have kids. Thoroughly programmed, we thought we were being environmentally responsible.

Back then I knew nothing of cia influence via gloria steinem, but something stunk about the women’s liberation movement and so-called "feminism" - especially their denigration of stay-at-home motherhood and antipathy towards men. So despite public pressure, I never considered myself a “women’s liberationist” or even a feminist.

And by the way, I took ‘the pill’ for 3 months when I was 18. I cried every day, gained 10 to 15 pounds and got reddish-purple stretch-marks on breasts and hips. Having never before experienced such obvious pharmaceutical harm, it was clear it was the pill so I quit.

Editor, Fabius Maximus website's avatar

“The Mary Tyler Moore” (1970-71) show overlapped “That Girl”, with a similar premise. I ruined the wonderful “Dick Van Dyke” show for me. I see Laura Petrie finding herself, abandoning Dick and her son, taking a new name and moving to Minneapolis.

Born in 1936, Moore was of the Silent generation. A precursor to the Boomers. In this, the star of the MTM show was just a few years ahead of the zeitgeist.

yantra's avatar

interesting. i actually really didn't like the mtm show, so rarely watched.

also i have to say, the "greatest generation" was also programmed without realization (think of all the WWII propaganda films), but this prelude was less encompassing than what was rolled out in the 1960s. our poor parents didn't understand what had happened to their children. remember "don't trust anyone over 30"? who came up with that if not tptb to divide us.

i think it was all exacerbated by the vaxxes we all got . . . even though autism was almost unheard of and only discussed in whispers, there were plenty of boys with ADD (now called ADHD) in our generation. and lots of dyslexia and dysgraphia (inability to write legibly). for some reason girls were more immune to that, just like they are to autism today. so we did well in school, while our brothers struggled.

AppleSnack's avatar

Wow, amazing analysis. It corresponds so amazingly like you said to the population control narrative. What came to me as I read it is also Sex and Love Addiction. The person expects to get high from love. It can be in a romantic way, a sexual way, or both. Of course its never enough. The woman, in this case, wants more and more. And of course the partner can never provide it. Seeking secret flights adds excitment into the mix and tension builds and builds. That is exactly what an addict lives for ... this adds the excitment that was missing. Eventually the relationship ends ... and the addict very quickly restarts the same cycle after the new relationship cant deliver the same excitement. Seems like raising a generation of addicts is a fantastic way to control population growth. Addicts are 100% selfish. That is why 12 step programs are all about confronting selfishness within one´s self. Well if one is very selfish then having to give freely to another person ... like a child ... is the last thing they want to do. So naturally addiction, both sex and love addiction, but also other kinds are a fantastic method of reducing population growth. Ok, maybe that will be my first article on the substack. Thanks for the inspiration :)

Smedley Butler's avatar

"The American motion picture is the greatest unconscious carrier of propaganda in the world today. It is a great distributor for ideas and opinions. The motion picture can standardize the ideas and habits of a nation. Because pictures are made to meet market demands, they reflect, emphasize and even exaggerate broad popular tendencies, rather than stimulate new ideas and opinions. The motion picture avails itself only of ideas and facts which are in vogue. As the newspaper seeks to purvey news, it seeks to purvey entertainment" -- Edward Bernays, from the Book "Propaganda" 1928

Anyone viewing such content is actively allowing the thoughts and ideas of another.... a stranger no less, to tell you what to think, believe and know and where is the common sense and logic in that?!

My life is no longer contains Bernays Motion Pictures or Strangers that TELL A VISION.

Life has never been better since I completely ignored all that useless information.

NIGELTEAPOT's avatar

As I have repeated many times, Baudelaire coined “modernity” to mean the total denial of The Image Of God so people become sex robots for the banking “elite.”

Tracy Kolenchuk's avatar

Very interesting. My first thoughts are how do you find time to write, much less to research all this? But, my second thought is "how many alternative explanations are there?" I am certain there are many. For example, we might ask if these films (ideas) are popular because they fit a present need. Or is the need present because of the popularity of the films (ideas)? Is it necessarily so that one concept and force is driving the other, or taking advantage of the other. Or more likely that the two are feeding on each other? Or is all of this a figment of our imagination when it is applied to specific instances of popular culture? To be honest, I don't think I've seen any of these films - so happy that I don't have a TV either...

As I ponder, I remind myself that the results, the consequences are invariably "what the systems do."

Litoralis's avatar

Yes. Unbekoming's "Part Six, The Documents" above shows that at least some influential actors meant (and mean) to reduce population, but suggests that Ephron might *not* have been aware. While her movies were indisputably popular, that viewers incorporated her scripts into their own lives is, of course, a presumption. But her (and their) views are "in the air/water." Still, I am loath to attribute these influences to a system, even if some actors think systematically. It may not matter which is chicken, which egg: theirs is a world view which dominates while alternative world views remain timid, though much older and, arguably, more natural.

Tracy Kolenchuk's avatar

Thanks for exploring the ideas. I think perhaps we have a different view of system. I did not mean "intentional system." Rather, I think that "communities" of individuals build their systems unconsciously.

Litoralis's avatar

I appreciate your making the distinction. "System" is often ambiguous that way: real communities--as opposed to "communities" making unconscious systems--can build systems consciously, too. I thought I heard an echo of the speech of another Substack writer in your closing "what the systems do." I was concerned to be clear I meant "conscious," rather than to attribute either view to you.

Crixcyon's avatar

I only recall the "Seattle" movie although I have seen them all. I never thought that these three were about depopulation in a sense. When I watch movies, I seldom look for the deeper conflicts. I want entertainment on a superficial level. I suppose after all it's Follywood and it's hard to take them seriously.

Movies are not real life. All the intricacies of life cannot be expressed in two hours. Most actors are not that capable anyway.

I don't have to worry what women want anymore. A few years back I married a much older one and perhaps our relationship is somewhere between stable and magic.